Commanders vs. Seahawks Day After Tell The Truth Oh My Goodness Thread

[Darrell Green Fan]

This narrative is widespread and it irritates me so much. Jayden was supposedly 100% healthy. This wasn’t a preseason game. I hate thinking our QB is so fragile we have to bench him unless it is a close game that counts. Doesn’t the guy need reps?

Also, there was still a mathematical chance we could win it. If JD scores that TD, then it’s a three possession game with 8 minutes to play. Did anybody criticize Denver’s coach for leaving Bo Nix in the game when he brought his team back from a 32 point hole in the fourth quarter a couple weeks ago?

I just hate this mentality of (a) keeping our QB in bubble wrap because we are scared letting him play will result in injury and (b) giving up on games/seasons before they’re over.

This is my line of thinking. I watch games all over the league and coaches rarely pull their starting QB, regardless of the score, with 8 minutes to play. As you said Denver was down 32 in the 4th quarter. No firing DQ is a move Dan Snyder would make and we aren't going back to that.

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

This is my line of thinking. I watch games all over the league and coaches rarely pull their starting QB, regardless of the score, with 8 minutes to play. As you said Denver was down 32 in the 4th quarter. No firing DQ is a move Dan Snyder would make and we aren't going back to that.

I also watch games all over the league and routinely see starters come off the field in games that are over, winning or losing. It’s a common preservation tactic. It’s the reason so many of us uttered the words “WTF is Daniels still doing in the game?”.

Coaches have to save players from themselves. The competitive part of the game was clearly over. Competitors like Daniels aren’t going to go out there and not try to score.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I also watch games all over the league and routinely see starters come off the field in games that are over, winning or losing. It’s a common preservation tactic. It’s the reason so many of us uttered the words “WTF is Daniels still doing in the game?”.

Coaches have to save players from themselves. The competitive part of the game was clearly over. Competitors like Daniels aren’t going to go out there and not try to score.

I'm not going to die on this hill. I have agreed, as did DQ, that it was a mistake. But I don't see it as routine as you do, again Bo Nix was in the game down 32. A quick look at the box scores from last week shows that Mathew Stafford played the entire game that was 34-10 in the 4th quarter and he is old with his own injury history. Tua played the entire game as well, again with a very serious injury history, and they were down 28-6.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Because Bo Niix and the Donkeys were never losing 32-0.

Sorry my mistake, thank you for correcting that, but still Denver went scoreless for three quarters before scoring 33 points in the fourth quarter.

 

[Chris]

This narrative that Denver was down 32 points to the Giants in the 4th quarter has to stop. It is being universally used here to justify not pulling Jayden when trailing by 31 points with 7:39 remaining and it is flat out incorrect.

Denver was down 19-0 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Denver scored a TD & 2 pt conversion at 14:08 to make the score 19-8 (down 11). Giants scored a TD at 10:14 to go ahead 26-8 (up 18). Denver then went on their run.

Down 18 with 10 minutes left is a far, far cry from down 31 (38-7) with 7 and change minutes left. Let’s not build our arguments on false narratives.

 

[Faithful Fan]

I'm not going to die on this hill. I have agreed, as did DQ, that it was a mistake. But I don't see it as routine as you do, again Bo Nix was in the game down 32. A quick look at the box scores from last week shows that Mathew Stafford played the entire game that was 34-10 in the 4th quarter and he is old with his own injury history. Tua played the entire game as well, again with a very serious injury history, and they were down 28-6.

I had the Denver game off a bit, they scored 33 points in the fourth quarter to win 33-32 and were down by 19 at one point, but not 32-0, but the point still stands.

Thank you also for providing other examples, which really aren’t hard to find. The idea you should bench your starting quarterback whenever somebody decides the game is out of reach is certainly not what we always see around the league.

I can see why people want to keep Jayden in bubble wrap, though I disagree with that, but I don’t believe doing so is normal.

 

[Faithful Fan]

This narrative that Denver was down 32 points to the Giants in the 4th quarter has to stop. It is being universally used here to justify not pulling Jayden when trailing by 31 points with 7:39 remaining and it is flat out incorrect.

Denver was down 19-0 at the end of the 3rd quarter. Denver scored a TD & 2 pt conversion at 14:08 to make the score 19-8 (down 11). Giants scored a TD at 10:14 to go ahead 26-8 (up 18). Denver then went on their run.

Down 18 with 10 minutes left is a far, far cry from down 31 (38-7) with 7 and change minutes left. Let’s not build our arguments on false narratives.

Sorry you’re right, that’s my mistake.

Denver was down by three possessions in the fourth quarter and had failed to score a single point in three quarters before scoring 33 points in the fourth quarter to win 33-32.

Does that really change the point?

 

[Chris]

Sorry you’re right. Denver was down by four possessions in the fourth quarter and had failed to score a single point in three quarters before scoring 33 points in the fourth quarter to win 33-32. Does that really change the point?

Yes. Dramatically.

With 7 minutes and change remaining Denver was losing by 18. Washington was losing by 31.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Yes. Dramatically.

With 7 minutes and change remaining Denver was losing by 18. Washington was losing by 31.

With 7 minutes and change, Washington had just scored to bring it within 24, a three possession game. Stranger things have happened. The Denver game is a single recent example among many in the history of football.

 

[Chris]

With 7 minutes and change, Washington had just scored to bring it within 24, a three possessions in game. Stranger things have happened. The Denver game is a single recent example among many in the history of football.

They did. Without Jayden playing. Maybe the argument is that Mariotta should have been starting. 🙃

 

[Chris]

No one watching the game thought that a historic ending was possible. Well, at least not a positive historic ending.

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

Washington just punted the ball form the 50 on the prior possession. That’s conceding defeat.

I feel like you all know that, but just want to say bubble wrap a lot. 🤣

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Voice_of_Reason ... you know how fond of you and your analysis I am..

But dude, you need a proof-reader.


Edit, add: maybe I meant "editor"...

I wrote that on my phone from bed. Maybe I should not do that anymore....

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I had the Denver game off a bit, they scored 33 points in the fourth quarter to win 33-32 and were down by 19 at one point, but not 32-0, but the point still stands.

Thank you also for providing other examples, which really aren’t hard to find. The idea you should bench your starting quarterback whenever somebody decides the game is out of reach is certainly not what we always see around the league.

I can see why people want to keep Jayden in bubble wrap, though I disagree with that, but I don’t believe doing so is normal.

I guess everyone is fixated on getting the Denver situation corrected and have completely ignored my other examples. Again Tua was in the game to the end down 34-10. And that was just last week, I can easily find other examples from other weeks.

The norm is most certainly not to pull your starter when the game looks out of reach.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Voice_of_Reason Every quarterback in the same situation? Should Sean Payton have benched Bo Nix when Denver was losing 32-0 in the 4th quarter a couple weeks ago? Was that game absolutely over?

I get pulling guys when it’s over, but it’s not over until it’s over. DQ was right on that edge, but I really don’t blame him. He said he was going to pull them the next series, fine. He said it was a mistake, fine.

Jayden’s hurt and it sucks. Hopefully he is back to full health soon.

There's a difference with the Broncos game and out game though. And I think it's kindof like the Supreme Courts definition of Pornography, you know it when you see it.

I don't think it has anything to do with Jayden's health, it has to do with the circumstance. Down the amount they were down, with a JV receiving corps that wasn't going to get any better and a defense which was completely hapless and also injured, having already lost Lattimore to an ACL and McCaffery to a broken collarbone, there was just no possibility of a good outcome in the game. The only thing which could happen was something bad. And it did happen.

The circumstances with what we had and who we were playing, there was no chance.

Now, different circumstance: If Terry and Deebo were both there, maybe a healthy 3rd option that wasn't a PS player, so the defense had to respect something on the outside and there was a chance of success, I'd say you leave him in and see what happens on that next drive.

It's all about circumstance. And ours was one where there wasn't really a chance, and Quinn should have known that. Half the media was posting it, and Quinn admitted it. I think it was a mistake. And a big one. You have to be aware of your surroundings, and Quinn wasn't.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

This post is stupid as hell, you don't know shit about fuck.

Hey there, this type of post is not really appropriate. If you disagree with a point, that's fine, state you disagree and feel free to do it however you like, but do not insult other posters please. Let's keep some common decency on the board even in disagreements.

 

[Chris]

Hey there, this type of post is not really appropriate. If you disagree with a point, that's fine, state you disagree and feel free to do it however you like, but do not insult other posters please. Let's keep some common decency on the board even in disagreements.

To be fair…the artistic structure and language usage shown in that reply is somewhat impressive. 🤣

(And the comma, oh, the comma!)

 

[burgold]

The biggest problem with this team and the potential of comebacks may not even be the depleted receiving corp. The biggest problem may be that we do not have a defense that allows for a comeback. Put simply, even if we score, do we have any faith that the defense will stop the opponent from scoring? If Jayden magically engineered a four touchdown fourth quarter the Seahawks would simply shift their offense out of idle and score three more touchdowns (at least.)

 

[Ashburn Dave]

Not earth shattering in the least but we need to prioritize RB for next season.

I thought we had something with 'Bill' but he seems to be hesitating now after he gets the ball. He's costing me big in one of my fantasy leagues.

 

[Conn]

This narrative is widespread and it irritates me so much. Jayden was supposedly 100% healthy. This wasn’t a preseason game. I hate thinking our QB is so fragile we have to bench him unless it is a close game that counts. Doesn’t the guy need reps?

Also, there was still a mathematical chance we could win it. If JD scores that TD, then it’s a three possession game with 8 minutes to play. Did anybody criticize Denver’s coach for leaving Bo Nix in the game when he brought his team back from a 32 point hole in the fourth quarter a couple weeks ago?

I just hate this mentality of (a) keeping our QB in bubble wrap because we are scared letting him play will result in injury and (b) giving up on games/seasons before they’re over.

It was Quinn who gave up on the game by punting at midfield (after previously going for it on 4th and 15 at midfield). That’s why people are confused. They didn’t keep Daniels in the game to attempt a miracle comeback, obviously, or they wouldn’t have changed strategy to punting down 4 scores in the 4th quarter. That’s why it feels punitive/arbitrary to people (“go earn back some honor” type thing so film review isn’t all bad) and why it felt inevitable that Daniels would press and get himself hurt. We all felt it happening in slow motion even as we finally moved down the field after the Seahawks turtled up.

If you can explain why Quinn seemingly conceded by punting on 4th down at midfield, I think people might be more willing to accept your Nix/Broncos miracle comeback narrative. As it stands it doesn’t seem like Quinn had a plan at all, especially with the amount they ran the ball and killed clock that drive to get out of the game (and it worked bc the Seahawks were happy to let us kill clock).

Young QB’s get benched in blowouts to protect them from themselves all the time, btw, it’s not just because Daniels is fragile. I’ve seen it done for Burrow, Stroud, and Young at least in recent years. It’s downright common. Dak’s been pulled for Milton multiple times this year already because he has an injury history and an outsized value to his franchise. It’s normal.