Commanders vs. Seahawks Day After Tell The Truth Oh My Goodness Thread

Darrell Green Fan said:
I guess everyone is fixated on getting the Denver situation corrected and have completely ignored my other examples. Again Tua was in the game to the end down 34-10. And that was just last week, I can easily find other examples from other weeks.

The norm is most certainly not to pull your starter when the game looks out of reach.
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Tua and the Miami Dolphins is not an example that I would like our team to follow in any capacity.

If it’s not the norm to take the starter out after conceding defeat by punting from midfield the possession prior, then why were so many people perplexed and actively posting on social media, this very board, etc. - asking why Daniels was still on the field?
 
Conn said:
It was Quinn who gave up on the game by punting at midfield (after previously going for it on 4th and 15 at midfield). That’s why people are confused. They didn’t keep Daniels in the game to attempt a miracle comeback, obviously, or they wouldn’t have changed strategy to punting down 4 scores in the 4th quarter. That’s why it feels punitive/arbitrary to people (“go earn back some honor” type thing so film review isn’t all bad) and why it felt inevitable that Daniels would press and get himself hurt. We all felt it happening in slow motion even as we finally moved down the field after the Seahawks turtled up.

If you can explain why Quinn seemingly conceded by punting on 4th down at midfield, I think people might be more willing to accept your Nix/Broncos miracle comeback narrative. As it stands it doesn’t seem like Quinn had a plan at all, especially with the amount they ran the ball and killed clock that drive to get out of the game (and it worked bc the Seahawks were happy to let us kill clock).

Young QB’s get benched in blowouts to protect them from themselves all the time, btw, it’s not just because Daniels is fragile. I’ve seen it done for Burrow, Stroud, and Young at least in recent years. It’s downright common.
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To make it worse, one has to explain on how a PRIOR possession, they went for it on 4th and long with (I think?) worse field position (maybe just about the same). THEN, on a succeeding possession, you punt with less time on the clock. So, yes, it seems there is a change in strategy, and the game play had not changed at all in terms of momentum and the look. We weren't suddenly replacing failure with success. Nothing in that moment had you thinking the team would win.
 
burgold said:
The biggest problem with this team and the potential of comebacks may not even be the depleted receiving corp. The biggest problem may be that we do not have a defense that allows for a comeback. Put simply, even if we score, do we have any faith that the defense will stop the opponent from scoring? If Jayden magically engineered a four touchdown fourth quarter the Seahawks would simply shift their offense out of idle and score three more touchdowns (at least.)
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I agree, but we can't score either, so it's kindof like whether you prefer to be shot or hung. You're dead either way.
 
I think the fact that Quinn has publicly admitted not pulling Jayden was a mistake and apologized for keeping him in there makes the ‘debate’ kind of moot, doesn’t it?

The guy who made the call says it was dumb. So in my world, it was probably dumb :)
 
CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome said:
Tua and the Miami Dolphins is not an example that I would like our team to follow in any capacity.

If it’s not the norm to take the starter out after conceding defeat by punting from midfield the possession prior, then why were so many people perplexed and actively posting on social media, this very board, etc. - asking why Daniels was still on the field?
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I think the answer to “why are people saying Jayden should have been pulled?” is less to do with coaching norms and more to do with our perception of Jayden as fragile.

This is a big part of my frustration. Is our franchise QB a glass cannon? Because that’s how it looks and that’s how we’re acting.
 
Boone said:
I think the fact that Quinn has publicly admitted not pulling Jayden was a mistake and apologized for keeping him in there makes the ‘debate’ kind of moot, doesn’t it?

The guy who made the call says it was dumb. So in my world, it was probably dumb :)
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What else is he going to say after Jayden got hurt?

Honestly taking responsibility for something that wasn’t your fault is good leadership, so credit DQ for that.
 
Mike MacDonald said:
That defense would be one of the best in the league if your new owner wasn't such a jerk to me.

Looks like a case of wash, rinse, repeat that you guys had with your previous owner.
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Did you join here to be a troll or were you just born one?
 
Faithful Fan said:
I think the answer to “why are people saying Jayden should have been pulled?” is less to do with coaching norms and more to do with our perception of Jayden as fragile.

This is a big part of my frustration. Is our franchise QB a glass cannon? Because that’s how it looks and that’s how we’re acting.
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I tip my cap for you at least saying the quiet part out loud.

We have nobody to catch the ball, to the extent John Bates had 4 targets on Sunday night. This lends itself to a mobile QB like Jayden having to make things happen with his legs more than anyone would like, heavily increasing the chance of injury.

If we don’t find some guys on the outside and threaten downfield to keep defenses honest, I fully expect Mariota to go down as well. What’s that under the Christmas tree? Oh that’s Sam Hartman sending floaters to the Cowboys secondary. 😫
 
Chris said:
No one watching the game thought that a historic ending was possible. Well, at least not a positive historic ending.
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This is not a post to necessarily argue one side or the other, just providing data points.


As far as the big answer, i dont think it's as easy as right or wrong. Quinn owned it hat Jayden 'shouldn't' have been out there, and maybe he's right. But there's an element of never giving up that needs to be remembered here. We're building a team long term. They need to wear some embarrassment together as a group at times to develop that thicker skin that pushes people. Packing it in sets a tone that this coaching staff and front office are not a part of. We don't quit, even when it's clear that it makes sense to. Any one, any time, any where. There is an argument to be made that guys need to be out there til they get it right. Jayden has not been at his best since he's come back from injury. Game reps cannot be duplicated, and Jayden is not a 10 year vet who's master the game. He's growing and developing, so seeing things at regular season speed is valuable. How valuable? That's the debate. I can honestly see the conversation for both sides...
 
CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome said:
I tip my cap for you at least saying the quiet part out loud.

We have nobody to catch the ball, to the extent John Bates had 4 targets on Sunday night. This lends itself to a mobile QB like Jayden having to make things happen with his legs more than anyone would like, heavily increasing the chance of injury.
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Which part is quiet? The concern with Jayden was never about talent or character, it was always about durability. It’s been that way since before the draft. Sadly it’s looking increasingly like those concerns were warranted. Hopefully this was a bad year and he has a long healthy career after this, but I’m not optimistic.
 
Mike MacDonald said:
Troll...
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In the spirit of transparency…I was the one who deleted your first ever post here, during the game Sunday night.

You guys could have had me on the sidelines making that defense look...well...a LOT better than your defense looks now!

Dan will take care of you, though.
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Primus Porcus said:



This is not a post to necessarily argue one side or the other, just providing data points.


As far as the big answer, i dont think it's as easy as right or wrong. Quinn owned it hat Jayden 'shouldn't' have been out there, and maybe he's right. But there's an element of never giving up that needs to be remembered here. We're building a team long term. They need to wear some embarrassment together as a group at times to develop that thicker skin that pushes people. Packing it in sets a tone that this coaching staff and front office are not a part of. We don't quit, even when it's clear that it makes sense to. Any one, any time, any where. There is an argument to be made that guys need to be out there til they get it right. Jayden has not been at his best since he's come back from injury. Game reps cannot be duplicated, and Jayden is not a 10 year vet who's master the game. He's growing and developing, so seeing things at regular season speed is valuable. How valuable? That's the debate. I can honestly see the conversation for both sides...
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Like punting from the 50 on the previous possession down 31? To me that is the epitome of ‘packing it in’.
 
Chris said:
Like punting from the 50 on the previous possession down 31? To me that is the epitome of ‘packing it in’.
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Not wrong.


Bigger picture point was less about 'winning' the game, and more about the intangibles that come with staying in.


And again, not arguing one side or the other, just that it's not as easy as right, or wrong.
 
I no longer feel the need to argue right vs wrong since Quinn has admitted it was wrong. I’ll take his word on that.
 
I tend to be an optimistic person so I'm going to start focusing on our high draft position in next year's draft.

Maybe we can pull a San Antonio Spurs where they already had David Robinson and got lucky with Tim Duncan due to injuries the year before.

We're in the hunt for a top 10 pick so let's stay the course.
 
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