Dopey May Strike Again?

[Fear The Spear]

The sight of Jeff Beck's head on a pike should serve as enough warning.

Oops. My bad.

Although guitarist Jeff Beck DOES actually suck.......................









at playing QB

 

[Miles Monroe]

I wonder if this is a sign that he's beginning to feel the heat.

Certainly, trading away two first rounders and this year's second rounder to move up and take a QB speaks to that...

I don't see it as feeling the heat. More of making the right move for the right person. Remember, the Browns were willing to give up a lot for RGIII too. I'm guessing that had we not gotten the deal done as early as we did, there might have been one or two other teams willing to drop a lot for him.

 

[Fear The Spear]

Remember, the Browns were willing to give up a lot for RGIII too.

I'm not so sure the Browns are a good example of Front Office competency.
I mean, when was the last time the Browns won the Super Bowl ?
Certainly not in the last 2 centuries

 

[Miles Monroe]

I'm not so sure the Browns are a good example of Front Office competency.
I mean, when was the last time the Browns won the Super Bowl ?
Certainly not in the last 2 centuries

I take it as a sign of competency to be honest, being guys like Griffin and Luck don't come along often as we all know.
though, identifying RGII as the real deal was a no brainer for dam near any front office.

My point was that it wasn't a move of desperation for Shanny / Skins to go for broke due to of lack of success. Others would have done the same not out of desperation, but knowing that you can set your team up for likely the next decade at QB.

 

[GSF]

I think that some fans kinda need some thing to worry about. i also think this is very understandable coming from redskins fans considering the last 20 years or so.

I'm just not worried about some of this stuff right now with Williams, Davis, or if Shanny is feeling the heat, and that kind of stuff.. I'm just way too pumped about the fact that the Redskins just drafted someone that could be a great QB for years, and has the potential to revolutionalize the position. All of the suddem, the Skins have a lot of young talent on both sides of the ball: RG3, Helu, Royster, Garcon, Davis, Orakpo, Kerrigan...on top of that they also have some very strong vets in Fletcher, Moss, Cofield, Cooley.

This roster tight now is probably the most talented roster across the board the Skins have had for 20 years. If the oline can come together and play well, this team can contend this year, and should only get better over the next several years.

i'm way too psyched too sweat the small stuff.

 

[TomE]

Don't forget that Phil Daniels is also onboard, I suspect that these two and a few others are in the crosshairs of his attention.

I agree GSF, let it play out.

The punishment is served, the lines are drawn and the troublesome two know where they stand. If they want it bad enough it'll work out, if they don't, they'll be gone.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Don't forget that Phil Daniels is also onboard, I suspect that these two and a few others are in the crosshairs of his attention.

I agree GSF, let it play out.

The punishment is served, the lines are drawn and the troublesome two know where they stand. If they want it bad enough it'll work out, if they don't, they'll be gone.

Yep. I'm more concerned about Meriweather's punk self than these two. They'll figure it out, or they won't.

 

[Ax]

Yep. I'm more concerned about Meriweather's punk self than these two. They'll figure it out, or they won't.

Problem is, all three of them added to together don't make up half a working brain.

And I'm not sweatin' any of them. But their all making the idea of Shanny being a discipline guy seem like a complete farce.

 

[tshile]

I don't think them breaking the rules is an indication of Shanahan and whether or not he's a 'discipline' guy.

I think if you told Shanahan in year one that Trent Williams would find himself 1 positive test for drugs away from a year suspension going into his 3rd year on his contract, he'd pick someone else with the first round pick.

Likewise if you told us today that two years from now the redskins win the superbowl and trent williams is a pro bowl left tackle who gave up 1 sack all year we'd call what we're doing now stupid and laugh that we once thought he should be cut or was a waste of a pick.

Unfortunately we don't have time machines or crystal balls

 

[Ax]

I'd say the message is clear. We'll allow up to two failed drug tests, and at least one DUI, with no added punishment.

Hardly disciplined.

 

[Fear The Spear]

I'll participate, as long as someone remembers to bump this thread after the end of the season, because I often forget how awesome I am/was.

Eagles
Redskins
Cowboys
Giants

 

[Ax]

I'll participate, as long as someone remembers to bump this thread after the end of the season, because I often forget how awesome I am/was.

Eagles
Redskins
Cowboys
Giants

Looks like your awesomeness occasionally lands in the wrong thread too.

AWESOME!!!

 

[Neophyte]

I wonder if this is a sign that he's beginning to feel the heat.

Certainly, trading away two first rounders and this year's second rounder to move up and take a QB speaks to that...

I didn't see the move for Griffin as feeling the heat so much as seeing a clearly superior talent that we were close enough to make a real move for. I very much doubt he would have paid that price just because of a little heat.

The team was clearly better last year than in either Shanahan's first year or Zorn's last with two victories over the eventual Super Bowl champ and a close, winnable game against the runner up.

My guess is that Shanahan looks at Griffin and sees a guy who will elevate his whole team and if that indeed turns out to be the case then the trade will be viewed as cheap.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Looks like your awesomeness occasionally lands in the wrong thread too.

AWESOME!!!

He's so awesome, it could not be contained in one thread.

 

[TomE]

I'd say the message is clear. We'll allow up to two failed drug tests, and at least one DUI, with no added punishment.

Hardly disciplined.

No added punishment and or conditions that we on the outside are aware of.

The impetuous move would be to just "cut 'em and set the example".

The more disciplined move would be to withhold judgment, assess, good or bad, the actual facts and then formulate a solution that allows a chance for maturity to develop or offer up solid reasoning for letting a player go.

Being a firm disciplinarian and being reasonable are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Ax]

No added punishment and or conditions that we on the outside are aware of.

The impetuous move would be to just "cut 'em and set the example".

The more disciplined move would be to withhold judgment, assess, good or bad, the actual facts and then formulate a solution that allows a chance for maturity to develop or offer up solid reasoning for letting a player go.

Being a firm disciplinarian and being reasonable are not mutually exclusive.

There is no punishment we don't know of. CBA wouldn't allow it.

The disciplined move is to show by example that voluntary retardation is unacceptable.

Judgement is easy here. Two of these assholes failed repeated drug tests they had to know were coming. That's bad. The other, showed up with pre-existing baggage, and got popped for DWI shortly after signing a multimillion dollar contract. That's also bad. The solution is to try and insure that their collective brain herpes don't infect anyone else on the team. Which is solid reasoning for firing any asshole employees.

Talking discipline, and actually practicing it, are two different things.

 

[tshile]

fred davis was not given the contract he was expecting.
he was also franchised, preventing him from getting it from another team.

merriweather has yet to make it through camp.

trent williams and fred davis have been punished by the league and put on notice. there's nothing more the team can do. they're one screw up away from being out for a year.

i think they've been punished enough, and given a fair chance to recover from that punishment and resume productive careers. they are both on notice though.


edit:
to be clear, i fully recognize that the 'punishments' aren't what you and I would expect them to be i also recognize how light the punishments seem when you consider how much money they're making to play a game with a ball.
but i don't think you can just cut your first round pick from 3 years ago, and i think letting davis walk out the door would have only been the wise thing to do if you didn't think he was taking the punishment from the NFL seriously.
both guys were already suspended for 4 games without pay... should the redskins have suspended them for another 2-3 games on top of that?

 

[Elephant]

trent williams and fred davis have been punished by the league and put on notice. there's nothing more the team can do. they're one screw up away from being out for a year.

i think they've been punished enough, and given a fair chance to recover from that punishment and resume productive careers. they are both on notice though.

I am not for cutting Williams...although it was numerous test failures, I view it as one offense.

Davis on the other hand, should have been cut. That's what the team could have done, especially when the coach preaches to us about character. Davis had multiple offenses culminating in a huge contract... You call that punishment enough?

Oh and how do you know he was expecting more? His contract is as high as just about any TE in the league. He has done nothing to warrant the money Gonkowski or even an over the hill Gonzales get.

I understand your POV, but I'm with Ax on that one. A message needed to be sent and by signing Davis to a $5million contract that message is not sent, even if you think a 4 game suspension in a lost season is enough. And by dumping Davis, you tell Williams (and any other potential knuckle head) that repeat offenders are on notice.

A year long suspension hanging over their head will deter them? Yeah the 4 game suspension was not enough of a deterrent, a year long suspension is? These 2 have already shown a poor ability for decision making!

 

[Fear The Spear]

Looks like your awesomeness occasionally lands in the wrong thread too.

AWESOME!!!

He's so awesome, it could not be contained in one thread.

Or maybe it's the other way around. I posted in the correct thread, and the rest of you went off-topic and hijacked it, to talk about Dopey

 

[tshile]

I am not for cutting Williams...although it was numerous test failures, I view it as one offense.

Davis on the other hand, should have been cut. That's what the team could have done, especially when the coach preaches to us about character. Davis had multiple offenses culminating in a huge contract... You call that punishment enough?

Oh and how do you know he was expecting more? His contract is as high as just about any TE in the league. He has done nothing to warrant the money Gonkowski or even an over the hill Gonzales get.

wait so two guys do the same thing and you want to treat them differently? I don't agree with that.

Davis wasn't 'rewarded' with that contract. It was a one year deal. He wanted a 5-6 year deal with that kind of money. He got one year. That means he has to do it again, and hope someone will still give him the money. That's a punishment. Most players just need to do that once, and get the big contract; hence the entire saying 'it's a contract year' when they reference players who put up big numbers in that situation. he now has to put two 'contract years' together, back to back.

if he blows out his knee this year, he loses out on a ton of money he would have otherwise had if he didn't get caught smoking pot and get franchised by the skins.

Davis' contract is a 'prove yourself' contract - both the organization and davis have publicly admitted that. It's anything but a reward.