Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint - WR - Georgia
6'1" - 195 and ran a 4.81 40.. OUCH. I wonder if he plays a lot faster than he measures.
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2024 Off-season Activity / Camp thread
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Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint - WR - Georgia
6'1" - 195 and ran a 4.81 40.. OUCH. I wonder if he plays a lot faster than he measures.
there may not be any walls left at the facility after everyone runs through them.
A look at Brandon Coleman
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Hey, if Adam Peters doubled down on the pick of Brandon Coleman to emphasize he is a left tackle and not a guard, then that's a good thing 
video to go with the catch post from earlier
Ben Sinnott
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Sinnott looks like a Swiss Army Knife for the offense working out of the backfield or in position as a traditional tight end on the edge.
Some NFL draft evaluators seems to devalue these types of picks (Deebo Samuel comes to mind) when they are made because the player is not dominant statistically at a given position despite having a high overall ceiling.
Often these guys tend to outperform their draft position in terms of combined yardage totals, third down conversions, etc.
Some NFL draft evaluators seems to devalue these types of picks (Deebo Samuel comes to mind) when they are made because the player is not dominant statistically at a given position despite having a high overall ceiling.
Often these guys tend to outperform their draft position in terms of combined yardage totals, third down conversions, etc.
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So, did we learn anything in the rookie minicamp? Any surprises.
I think the only thing that stood out to me was Braedon Daniels absence. DQ said he was ineligible to attend, but I heard elsewhere that the team was allowed to invite up to five 2nd year players. Clearly, this staff (and Rivera's as well) wasn't hungry to see him on the practice field.
I think the only thing that stood out to me was Braedon Daniels absence. DQ said he was ineligible to attend, but I heard elsewhere that the team was allowed to invite up to five 2nd year players. Clearly, this staff (and Rivera's as well) wasn't hungry to see him on the practice field.
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Then why not cut him?
If the guy can’t play respectably now there isn’t going to be a change in 2-3 months during camp that is dramatic in re improvement.
Our bar on the OL over the past couple of years has been so low we are signing street free agents during the season to play.
If Daniels wasn’t good enough to make a roster against these types of players he’s definitely not going to make it now.
If the guy can’t play respectably now there isn’t going to be a change in 2-3 months during camp that is dramatic in re improvement.
Our bar on the OL over the past couple of years has been so low we are signing street free agents during the season to play.
If Daniels wasn’t good enough to make a roster against these types of players he’s definitely not going to make it now.
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That 4.81 in the 40 time for Jacksaint has to be a career worst number for the receiver.
I can't imagine a receiver making it in today's NFL with that type of speed unless he were a 6'7 Harold Carmichael type that had no competition with his catch radius for receptions.
We have Johnny Newton running a 4.9 and Brandon Coleman a 4.99 at the combine or pro day.
I can't imagine a receiver making it in today's NFL with that type of speed unless he were a 6'7 Harold Carmichael type that had no competition with his catch radius for receptions.
We have Johnny Newton running a 4.9 and Brandon Coleman a 4.99 at the combine or pro day.
example of a vet mentoring/showing a rookie some tips:
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It's hard to imagine a receiver making it in college topping out at 4.8.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.71. No i'm not saying he's Jerry Rice, but it's a single metric.
Pull out your phone and try to stop the stopwatch at .3 of a second. That's the difference between 4.81 and 4.51. Now imagine extrapolating that over 40 yards. .4 of a second is literally less than 1/10th of the overall time.
There are a lot of things the 40 time CAN tell you, but it's also become a massively over-stated metric that I think has let really good players be under-valued. Straight line speed is not anywhere near the most important part of an NFL players metric. in fact i think it's borderline comical that Oline and Dline even run a 40 yard dash, as they NEVER have to be at full speed for 40 consecutive yards. When i mentioned the 'Ouch' in my post earlier, it was because of the optics, not because of the actual measurement. The more 'concerning' metrics are the agility measurements like Shuttle, Vertical, and 3 cone, as those are going to be measuring ability to separate in small spaces. A lot of DBs are faster than the WR they cover, but the WR can still create that separation to flash open and allow for a QB to make a throw. It's not very often that you see a WR and DB running 'straight' with the WR pulling away, that's not how offenses are schemed up because it would never be truly successful. Leverage, being able to get a DB off their mark, and deception are 100000% the most important part of it. Being able to outrun them is not. It's a benefit once they have the ball in their hand, that a guy can create an explosive play, but it's still shouldn't be an absolute.
I wanted to look at the actual math and it actually supports my thinking
a 4.81 in the 40 yard dash run over 100 yards means it would be 12 seconds
a 4.31 conversly would be 10.8 seconds.
That means over the course of 100 yards, the guy who runs 4.31 would only be 1.2 yards (roughly 4 feet) ahead of the guy running the faster time. The same logic applies the other way. If the WR who runs a 4.81 catches the ball with a 3 yard cushion, it would take roughly 250 yards to catch the WR. Of course there are other aspects of this.. what is top speed vs acceleration? If the 4.31 guy can get to top speed faster, but top speed is slower than the WR, he would never actually catch them, but would test better in a shorter metric. If the WR has better acceleration creating the separation, but the DB has a better top speed, then he would be able to catch that WR because of that. This is where Darrell Green, and others have been truly elite. They get to speed fast, and that top speed is fast. That is the exception, a guy who can not only test well in short bursts, but can maintain.
Pull out your phone and try to stop the stopwatch at .3 of a second. That's the difference between 4.81 and 4.51. Now imagine extrapolating that over 40 yards. .4 of a second is literally less than 1/10th of the overall time.
There are a lot of things the 40 time CAN tell you, but it's also become a massively over-stated metric that I think has let really good players be under-valued. Straight line speed is not anywhere near the most important part of an NFL players metric. in fact i think it's borderline comical that Oline and Dline even run a 40 yard dash, as they NEVER have to be at full speed for 40 consecutive yards. When i mentioned the 'Ouch' in my post earlier, it was because of the optics, not because of the actual measurement. The more 'concerning' metrics are the agility measurements like Shuttle, Vertical, and 3 cone, as those are going to be measuring ability to separate in small spaces. A lot of DBs are faster than the WR they cover, but the WR can still create that separation to flash open and allow for a QB to make a throw. It's not very often that you see a WR and DB running 'straight' with the WR pulling away, that's not how offenses are schemed up because it would never be truly successful. Leverage, being able to get a DB off their mark, and deception are 100000% the most important part of it. Being able to outrun them is not. It's a benefit once they have the ball in their hand, that a guy can create an explosive play, but it's still shouldn't be an absolute.
I wanted to look at the actual math and it actually supports my thinking
a 4.81 in the 40 yard dash run over 100 yards means it would be 12 seconds
a 4.31 conversly would be 10.8 seconds.
That means over the course of 100 yards, the guy who runs 4.31 would only be 1.2 yards (roughly 4 feet) ahead of the guy running the faster time. The same logic applies the other way. If the WR who runs a 4.81 catches the ball with a 3 yard cushion, it would take roughly 250 yards to catch the WR. Of course there are other aspects of this.. what is top speed vs acceleration? If the 4.31 guy can get to top speed faster, but top speed is slower than the WR, he would never actually catch them, but would test better in a shorter metric. If the WR has better acceleration creating the separation, but the DB has a better top speed, then he would be able to catch that WR because of that. This is where Darrell Green, and others have been truly elite. They get to speed fast, and that top speed is fast. That is the exception, a guy who can not only test well in short bursts, but can maintain.
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58 is Jordan Magee... a rookie out of Temple. He looks like he was created in a lab.
Accuracy. Not the longest distance, but I like zip on hte ball.
On top of that, i love seeing them practicing in the rain....
On top of that, i love seeing them practicing in the rain....
THIS. IS. AWESOME
Leadership. Cosmi was actively disquising what he was doing and Wagner knew it. Not only does this help the defense, but it helps the offense BIG TIME when a guy in practice and be so in tune.
Leadership. Cosmi was actively disquising what he was doing and Wagner knew it. Not only does this help the defense, but it helps the offense BIG TIME when a guy in practice and be so in tune.
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Wagner and Luvu are going to make this defense a lot better.
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