The unpleasant truth

[servumtuum]

OK, then I must have watched the "football life" wrong when he called his wife to tell her that they wanted to draft Snee and asked her what she thought about it.

Great show by the way...F Coughlin the coach, but Coughlin the man is pretty cool.

What I'd like to know is how he can take a team that has struggles during the season, barely make the playoffs and then beat up on the best teams in the league to win the SB.

Twice in five years. Jeez.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Jerry "Dang, the guy I wanted was just drafted, oh well, just draft another DLineman" Reese is indeed the GM for the Giants. One of the better ones, if success on the field is any indication.

Holmgren was originally the head honcho in Seattle, but after the 2002 season they stripped GM powers from him (and they subsequently made a superbowl, probably should have won it).

Belichick in New England has had a lot of success, this is true. However his really good defenses in the early-mid 2000s had a core of personnel drafted by Parcells; since they've all been phased out, Bill's Ds have slid way down the rankings. I'm not sure who drafted Brady, but he's been the reason they've been successful - and that was a shot in the dark.

Really the only time a coach-GM has been successful in recent history has been Parcells; he built Dallas back into a contender (window has shut, thankfully), he set up New England for their current success.

I think Danny should have taken dump trucks full of money and driven to Ozzie Newsome's house and just started unloading onto his lawn until he agreed to come to Washington.

 

[Elephant]

I think Danny should have taken dump trucks full of money and driven to Ozzie Newsome's house and just started unloading onto his lawn until he agreed to come to Washington.

Ozzie's right hand man would have sufficed, DeCosta. keep Bruce for the legal and FO stuff, have Shanahan work with Decosta who would become our personnel guy. Lanky, I believe you and I discussed this a couple years back.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Ozzie's right hand man would have sufficed, DeCosta. keep Bruce for the legal and FO stuff, have Shanahan work with Decosta who would become our personnel guy. Lanky, I believe you and I discussed this a couple years back.

Yeah, sounds familiar.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

holmgren - seattle
bellicheck - new england
coughlin - new york

those are the first 3 i could think of who had complete control over personnel and play calling who got the job done.

I am pretty sure that Holmgren didnt get squat done in Seattle, Bellichick has a president in new england and so does coughlin in new york.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

Ozzie's right hand man would have sufficed, DeCosta. keep Bruce for the legal and FO stuff, have Shanahan work with Decosta who would become our personnel guy. Lanky, I believe you and I discussed this a couple years back.

Yup, I believe the thread was the " if you had carte blache to do whatever you wanted, what would you do thread. several of us said spend some of the money we have thrown away on front office and scouting. I still think there were worable ideas in that thread, maybe we should send them to Danny.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

Nah Boone, I know what you mean, I just have never seen it work so I have doubts, the truth is, Presidents need to think long term, GM's think mid term and Coaches are supposed to win now. when its all one guy you will see them cut corners to win now, and thats when the issues stand out

 

[Lanky Livingston]

I am pretty sure that Holmgren didnt get squat done in Seattle, Bellichick has a president in new england and so does coughlin in new york.

Yeah, Holmgren was stripped of GM duties in 2002.

 

[tshile]

several of us said spend some of the money we have thrown away on front office and scouting.

By all accounts from insiders our scouting department is actually pretty good. Our problem was Cerrato/Snyder not listening to them. Shanahan actually kept the same scouting department.

I think the remarkable change in players we've brought in while having the same scouting staff backs up the claims.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

the change in players hasnt been remarkable, the only real difference is that we actually draft now, having guys make the team doesnt mean squat when the team is talent poor.

 

[tshile]

the change in players hasnt been remarkable, the only real difference is that we actually draft now, having guys make the team doesnt mean squat when the team is talent poor.

Can you really look at those ceratto drafts, compare them to ours, and not think we're doing substantially better?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_draft_history

there's the list.

just run through the 8 years before shanahan got here. see how many of those guys are even in the league anymore. almost every single guy we picked in the last 3 years is still on our team, much less in the league.

I'm not saying we're a powerhouse, just that we're actually drafting people who can play football. I think over 3 years people have forgotten how inept our organization was before...

edit: I can see how you'd think remarkable isn't the best word to use. it seems that way to me but I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me