The Stadium Thread

Commander PK said:
Don’t underestimate how many people would forego tailgating if the metro line drops you off at the stadium.

More metro riders means less cars.
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I always Metro to the game. Didn't stop me from joining up with a tailgate party. I just grabbed something I could take with me and share when I got there.
 
heisenberg said:
Yeah I'm just not sure how that would work.

How do you prevent people from buying the passes just to park?

Do you charge more so its not practical unless you're tailgating, and is that fair to the tailgaters?

You can't go around making sure people are grilling and mingling.

Just seems unfeasible to me.
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I like the "idea" of "tailgating only lots" but as you said I dont know if it would be possible to "enforce".

You could have a policy that requires at least one grill (has to be at least 28"), minimum 6 bottles of alcohol, 3 cases of beer. 8 lawn chairs with at least one person passed out drunk with beer in hand, pop up canopy is a must. Must utilize a truck, large SUV or converted school bus with appropriate Commanders colors and logos, no sedans.
 
Why not have as many parking garages as needed and designate the top (open air) floor as tailgate only?
 
ArtMonkWasMyHero said:
Gotta ask, why host a Super Bowl?
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A financial boon for the City. A world wide audience for your destination stadium.

As a fan of the home town team, I would only care if we were playing in it…that would be pretty cool.
 
Commander PK said:
A financial boon for the City. A world wide audience for your destination stadium.

As a fan of the home town team, I would only care if we were playing in it…that would be pretty cool.
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Nice to have home field advantage in the SB.

Still, I doubt hosting an SB would do much for DC. Not like New Orleans has ever ascended economic rankings.
 
ArtMonkWasMyHero said:
Nice to have home field advantage in the SB.

Still, I doubt hosting an SB would do much for DC. Not like New Orleans has ever ascended economic rankings.
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It's a status thing as much as it's a financial benefit to the city.

Josh Harris doesn't live in DC, so i don't think he is worried about the economic benefit to the city, as much as the economic benefit to the team. I'm sure the 'stadium' makes A SHIT LOAD of money on Super Bowl Sunday, between gate, refreshments, apparel, suite sales, marketing, sponsorship advertising... etc.

In addition, the World Cup, as well as the Olympics are going to be hosted in the USA in the coming years, and neither event is having ANYTHING hosted in our Capital. It's terrible. Being able to host a SB changes that dynamic in the eyes of these event planners.

College Football playoffs / Championship games
NCAA Basketball games / Tournaments
International Soccer

If you can host a Super Bowl, arguably you can host anything.
 
SilentThreat said:
It's a status thing as much as it's a financial benefit to the city.

Josh Harris doesn't live in DC, so i don't think he is worried about the economic benefit to the city, as much as the economic benefit to the team. I'm sure the 'stadium' makes A SHIT LOAD of money on Super Bowl Sunday, between gate, refreshments, apparel, suite sales, marketing, sponsorship advertising... etc.

In addition, the World Cup, as well as the Olympics are going to be hosted in the USA in the coming years, and neither event is having ANYTHING hosted in our Capital. It's terrible. Being able to host a SB changes that dynamic in the eyes of these event planners.

College Football playoffs / Championship games
NCAA Basketball games / Tournaments
International Soccer

If you can host a Super Bowl, arguably you can host anything.
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I understand it from a marketing perspective. Image is everything.

But one-off events like the Super Bowl do not bring much. Sure, a lot of cash comes in, but it is counterbalanced by the costs of increased police, EMT, Fire Dept, etc.

And having grown up in DC proper, I feel confident in saying that even if the city government received a some extra cash, nothing positive would come of it. My hometown is not known for prudent fiscal policies. Attempting to host the Olympics would be a disaster. Those other events can be hosted with current facilities as they already are.

IMHO of course. :cool:
 
Google says the Super Bowl generated about $500M in revenue for the city with food, entertainment, transportation... etc.

i can't speculate how DC will mismanage $500M, but I can say that Harris likely is having that kind of a conversation when he's talking about getting the city to help fund the new stadium. If you can loosely 'guarantee' a $500M revenue return on a single event, suddenly helping pay for a $2.5B stadium isn't AS MUCH of a financial burden.... when you're looking at getting 1/5 of that in a single weekend.

Also, they'll never host a National Championship (Basketball OR Football) at any of the current facilities. Verizon Center is limited in it's seating capacity, so it's actually off the table with a lot of performers like Taylor Swift, who are selling out 3 nights of stadiums that hold upwards of 100K people.

I also have to imagine that the NFL understands the optics of having it in the city limits. Something as simple as the skyline being part of the broadcast with the stadium in the shot is a dynamic image on prime time games. Especially if we're going to be finding ourselves regularly playing in the premium time slots because of Jayden for hopefully the forseable future.

Regarding the Olympics, I think it would be more managable than you think. The latest summer games were all over France, not just in Paris. I'm not saying the entire Olympics is within the city limits, but at least SOMETHING being held within our Capital city. In 2028 there will be Lacrosse, Flag Football, Field Hockey, and Soccer. All of which could have been hosted at an adequate football stadium with minimal change, or investment, to the facility.

The fact that we don't have a facility in our Capital that is capable of being a host venue to a world competition is depressing.
 
SilentThreat said:
Google says the Super Bowl generated about $500M in revenue for the city with food, entertainment, transportation... etc.

i can't speculate how DC will mismanage $500M, but I can say that Harris likely is having that kind of a conversation when he's talking about getting the city to help fund the new stadium. If you can loosely 'guarantee' a $500M revenue return on a single event, suddenly helping pay for a $2.5B stadium isn't AS MUCH of a financial burden.... when you're looking at getting 1/5 of that in a single weekend.

Also, they'll never host a National Championship (Basketball OR Football) at any of the current facilities. Verizon Center is limited in it's seating capacity, so it's actually off the table with a lot of performers like Taylor Swift, who are selling out 3 nights of stadiums that hold upwards of 100K people.

I also have to imagine that the NFL understands the optics of having it in the city limits. Something as simple as the skyline being part of the broadcast with the stadium in the shot is a dynamic image on prime time games. Especially if we're going to be finding ourselves regularly playing in the premium time slots because of Jayden for hopefully the forseable future.

Regarding the Olympics, I think it would be more managable than you think. The latest summer games were all over France, not just in Paris. I'm not saying the entire Olympics is within the city limits, but at least SOMETHING being held within our Capital city. In 2028 there will be Lacrosse, Flag Football, Field Hockey, and Soccer. All of which could have been hosted at an adequate football stadium with minimal change, or investment, to the facility.

The fact that we don't have a facility in our Capital that is capable of being a host venue to a world competition is depressing.
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Once again, if the Super Bowl gave a decent return, New Orleans would resemble Monte Carlo or at least somewhere like Grand Rapids.

It goes to the issue that sports is really not much of an economic engine. I would speculate that is why the RFK site is being peppered with retail, housing, etc. Bowser needs a lot of non-sports stuff to sell the sports stadium. This creates a host of new issues like lack of parking, tailgaiting space, but I digress. Sports has community and marketing benefits, although largely intangible. There is an emotional tug, not an economic one.

And at the end of the day, you might get the SB once. Is that worth building an ugly, sterile dome that will run into the same issue that FedEx/Northwest did i.e. too much capacity with the inevitable hordes of other fans?

Build a larger replica of RFK and call it a day. We will get much more value from a prudent, but attractive stadium than something built to hopefully attract the occassional big event. The two best stadiums are Lambeau Field and Heinz Field. We could join them. :cool:
 
Two Minute Rick chiming in with absolutely nothing but opinion-passed-off-as-fact.

 
Yea Snider is speculating. But he has always cited the neighbors around RFK has being more organized and opposed than in the past.

I hate to admit it, but I would rather them remain at Landover than play in a dome in DC. They'll look like something out of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century.

Northwest looks much better now that they have modified the seating and ditched those tuti fruti FedEx colors.

Plenty of room there to replicate what they do a Lambeau and set up food and drink stands. Harris should spring for a fleet of trams to shuttle fans between the Metro and the stadium.
 
For me, the stadium staying in Landover would be about as big a let down as you could get on this issue. I’d rather them go to Oxon Hill farm than stay there.

Tailgating or no tailgating not getting a stadium at RFK would be a massive let down if it doesn’t happen. Especially after what they went through to get control of the land.
 
I was always in the RFK Stadium site camp. I don't give a damned if the Super Bowl comes to Washington but I do believe the team should play in the city, I miss the shots of the Capitol and Monument on game day. But even though I don't go to the games I am aware that tailgating is essential. Hell if nothing else it gets the fans primed and more vocal.
 
Darrell Green Fan said:
I was always in the RFK Stadium site camp. I don't give a damned if the Super Bowl comes to Washington but I do believe the team should play in the city, I miss the shots of the Capitol and Monument on game day. But even though I don't go to the games I am aware that tailgating is essential. Hell if nothing else it gets the fans primed and more vocal.
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I have to believe there is a way to make everybody happy. Create just enough parking for tailgating, garages also, and direct access with metro. Doesn’t mean that is what they will do, but it would be nice if they can accomplish all three.
 
when the built the stadium in AZ they had plenty of room . . . and do have some tailgating next to the stadium . . . BUT they build, a couple of miles away, two tailgating lots specifically designed for tailgating, and they have busses/shuttles that bring players back in forth between the tailgating lots and the stadium. Not sure why they did that as they had plenty of room, but did not build any parking garages, all just lots.
 
In the ongoing timeline of any franchise, change is obviously inevitable.

Increasingly, stadiums are designed to be occupied continuously instead of just on game days and as real estate plays to draw continual revenue irrespective of the season/weather/success of the team. And in this way, the supplementary revenue derived by ownership from leasing retail/residential/commercial space next the stadium is a huge draw as it's generally uncorrelated with the success of the team. So much better "all weather" investment.

On that basis, situating the stadium within DC and providing the "urban renewal" / "gentrification" etc. notwithstanding the NIMBYism attendant to doing so will likely carry the day on the basis of the dollars involved.

The gameday experience will have to change along with it - tailgating will evolve (hopefully not to the point of extinction) and I'm certain that we'll all be paying way more for food/drinks/etc. if any other urban stadium experience is any guide.
 
Darrell Green Fan said:
I was always in the RFK Stadium site camp. I don't give a damned if the Super Bowl comes to Washington but I do believe the team should play in the city, I miss the shots of the Capitol and Monument on game day. But even though I don't go to the games I am aware that tailgating is essential. Hell if nothing else it gets the fans primed and more vocal.
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Orienting the design to allow for epic views of the monuments, capital etc. is a must.
 
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