The 2025 Draft Thread

What would be amazing if Bill turned out to be another Brandon Coleman.

A lot of us, me included, were so frustrated with Peters for not addressing LT (in a great tackle draft when that was a top need) and then they snagged this guy named Colemanin the third round. I was relieved at least we got one... and then he turned out to be good enough to hold the fort and is projected to be a long term starter (maybe at guard?)

So many of us really wanted to upgrade running back and here comes a great running back draft only for Peters to ignore running back, this time all the way to the seventh round. If Peters pulls another rabbit out of his hat and finds a starter...

Anyway, I have high hopes for the kid because I love his story, who he seems to be, and because I want a running back that defenses need to worry about.
Everybody and their brother thought that BJC would have been drafted much earlier had he been allowed to play his final season. Being sat after one game, which he dominated, was the best thing that could have happened for us. I think he will be viewed as the steal of the draft.
 
I just think with a QB that can run like JD our run game should have been a lot better. I guess it’s possible the oline was just that bad after the injuries. We will see.
 
I find the conversation about whether to give Peters credit for drafting Daniel’s at 2 amusing. For multiple reasons. As many here have pointed out, most of the ES board, including me, and PFF preferred Maye. Peters, as it turns out, not only had Daniels above Maye, but he had him above Caleb. That sounds like pretty good scouting.

More importantly however how many people have said that the reason Daniels was better than Caleb last year was coaching and OL play? How many times have we heard that If we had drafted Patrick Mahommes, that he wouldn’t have been the same player in Washington, because the rest of the team was so dysfunctional.

Who hired the coaches that helped make Daniels so successful? Who pieced together that OL? Who signed Zach Ertz and Bobby Wagner to help set the culture? Made moves that turned out to be very good, but that we crapped on at the time, like the Marcus Mariota signing?

Peters not only identified Daniels as QB1 and selected him, but is also the man that assembled the support structure that allowed him to succeed. He deserves a lot of credit for that.

In terms of the other draft picks, Sainristil was obviously very good. Our LT that helped get us to the NFC championship game was drafted in the 3rd, and looks like he will start again next year, on the interior. I fully expect Newton to be very solid and at least justify a 2nd round selection. That’s 3 likely starters drafted outside the 1st.

I understand the fan response to Luke McCaffrey and Ben Sinnott. They both still have a chance to be contributors, but also, the best GM’s don’t hit on everyone. Howie Roseman gave Bryce Huff $50 million and traded a 3rd for Jahan Dotson.

AP actually had JJ as QB2 over Maye and Williams. Curious to see how that ends up looking this season
 
One-third of that, and I’ll be so happy, I’ll have a good wank!
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AP actually had JJ as QB2 over Maye and Williams. Curious to see how that ends up looking this season

I'm digressing like crazy here...

I think lost in some of the QB talk is just how damn good that QB class was. It set a record for 6 QBs in 12 picks but several of the guys supposedly had top notch intangibles. Daniels, Maye, and JJ supposedly had the mental makeup that would have been tops in most draft classes. Add in Penix and Nix with good intangibles too and nobody had any warts or character concerns.

Caleb was the only one with abnormal character, but his wasn't really a concern. More so that he was just his own type of person.

Just an unusually amazing draft class with rock solid character, some of whom lived and breathed football, combined with high talent.

Feels like the 2024 class will, by itself, rejuvenate the QB talent in the league after the legendary group featuring Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, etc buoyed the league for 15-20 years.
 
AP actually had JJ as QB2 over Maye and Williams. Curious to see how that ends up looking this season

Where are you guys getting this info (not saying it's not accurate, I just haven't heard that before)?

Those 'would QB X have been the guy he is now if drafted by another team?' debates are good for internet amusement, but it's really an impossible question. There is no way of ever knowing what would've happened. I think the really great QBs (and we may have one now) are going to find a way to succeed no matter where they land.

Bottom line, no matter what the factors that contributed to JD's incredible early success, Adam Peters deserves a ton of credit for seemingly picking the right QB in a very talented QB draft despite not having the first crack at one, and building a team around him that allowed him to thrive.
 
I'm digressing like crazy here...

I think lost in some of the QB talk is just how damn good that QB class was. It set a record for 6 QBs in 12 picks but several of the guys supposedly had top notch intangibles. Daniels, Maye, and JJ supposedly had the mental makeup that would have been tops in most draft classes. Add in Penix and Nix with good intangibles too and nobody had any warts or character concerns.

Caleb was the only one with abnormal character, but his wasn't really a concern. More so that he was just his own type of person.

Just an unusually amazing draft class with rock solid character, some of whom lived and breathed football, combined with high talent.

Feels like the 2024 class will, by itself, rejuvenate the QB talent in the league after the legendary group featuring Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, etc buoyed the league for 15-20 years.
Even crazier than the number of QBs drafted in the first round is how many hits there seem to have been. Almost everyone looks like they belong. Usually at least half are duds if not outright busts.
 
That's one reason I think the New York Giants taking a wide receiver (albeit a potentially great one) over a quarterback at #6 last year was a mistake.

In most draft seasons you get 1 or 2 guys that potentially start in Year 1 or have the type of upside potential a number of the 2024 picks do.
 
That's one reason I think the New York Giants taking a wide receiver (albeit a potentially great one) over a quarterback at #6 last year was a mistake.

In most draft seasons you get 1 or 2 guys that potentially start in Year 1 or have the type of upside potential a number of the 2024 picks do.

I don’t necessarily fault them. I don’t know that Nix is anything other than a great game manager and I don’t think most people had Penix that high, and he hasn’t yet justified that. McCarthy reportedly looked great before his injury, and Peter’s was rumored to have McCarthy as his 2nd ranked QB, but he hasn’t shown it in the regular season yet. If the Giants didn’t like this 3 guys, and the goal is the SB, maybe grab an eite talent and then continue the tank.

But, I don’t know that that’s how they saw it. They signed a bunch of QB’s, their coaching and FO staff’s jobs are on the line. I think they will push for every win and have a slightly less than mediocre ceiling, and miss out on the top QB’s again.

This is the situation where, I don’t want my GM making moves to preserve his job for this year. Would have been better to move on, probably.
 
The trouble for the Giants is if they improve a bit with their defensive depth and additional weapons on the outside they will get stuck picking in the 10-15 range and will end up out of the money on a potential top prospect unless they then turn around and deal quite a bit of that organizational depth to move back up :ROFLMAO:
 
The trouble for the Giants is if they improve a bit with their defensive depth and additional weapons on the outside they will get stuck picking in the 10-15 range and will end up out of the money on a potential top prospect unless they then turn around and deal quite a bit of that organizational depth to move back up :ROFLMAO:

This scenario sound oh-so-familiar...
 


They do such a good job on these little clips.



This kid seems so likable. Hearing that he was our fastest guy in the OTA speed drills, seeing his highlights, and knowing that he had the best acceleration and deceleration measured in the last 10 years at the Shrine and Senior Bowls, I can't help but imagine Bill as having an impact in a Jahmyr Gibbs-like role.
 
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Speed out of the backfield was a clear issue in 2024.

Those last 7-8 games our only real threat on the ground was Daniels.

He took way too many hard shots trying to put the team on his back in the Atlanta game. We want Daniels running 10 times a game, not 17 or whatever it was vs Atlanta.

We're all rooting really hard for Bill to flourish. A dangerous RB will make Daniels whole package of tools so much more deadly while keeping him healthier.
 
I want him running less than 10 times a game.

There will be games we need the stretch against better defenses, but the goal here is to keep Daniels upright for 17 games.

We came very close to losing Daniels for the year in that Panthers' game last year, a game as it turned out against a poor team we were going to beat handily anyway.
 
I want him running less than 10 times a game.

There will be games we need the stretch against better defenses, but the goal here is to keep Daniels upright for 17 games.

We came very close to losing Daniels for the year in that Panthers' game last year, a game as it turned out against a poor team we were going to beat handily anyway.
He ran more than 10 times in 6 games. I would rather we say he rush less than 7 or 8. Even that might be too much although yes, we need him to take off some to keep the defenses honest and on their heels.
 
Daniels running should be a legitimate part of our red zone strategy and planned for through multiple looks.

On the garden variety 3rd and 17 on our side of the 50, if the pass is not there I would like to see him run out of bounds and not take the hits trying to turn upfield.
 
He ran more than 10 times in 6 games. I would rather we say he rush less than 7 or 8. Even that might be too much although yes, we need him to take off some to keep the defenses honest and on their heels.
Not all runs are the same.

Scrambling from crazy pressure, not feeling where pressure/D is and getting blindsided/upended, or not throwing it away in a hopeless situation... these types of things are nothing like:
- running upfield when coverage has left a giant hole. This serves exactly like you said, keeping the defense much more honest
- rolling to the outside and seeing daylight due to the defense's layout against the offensive play

There are others but most amount to the same thing; the design of the O play can lead to a valuable QB run and a broken D call against a specific O call can lead to one too. Those are very low-risk.
I think the best QBs *and* O-Lines tend to run primarily in those situations, and have very few of the other variety. We had far too many of the "other" variety, and Jayden managed to use his athleticism to evade some bad hits in multiple cases. So, hopefully the new O-Line, some updated strategy... hopefully it will be much better this year.
 

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