The 2025 Draft Thread

Does DT fit there as well? Not that I think we go that direction…
I think DT comes into play only if we find ourselves in another Newton situation where that player is the best on our board or we decide that Payne's effort/contract ratio makes him a cut candidate. I can almost see that happening though it would be crazy to think that after only two years after Snyder we cut or traded all four of our "on paper" dominant first round D-Line players.
 
The best organizations absolutely draft by position… but not based on need. Premium positions. Which are exactly what we are lacking sans QB.

OT, Edge, Receiver, CB. Those are the positions we are looking at and the premium NFL positions for round 1
Well said, I should have said need not position. Clearly positions are weighed differently, which is why OTs go in the top 10 and centers go on the 3rd day. My point remains good organizations will not pass over higher rated players to fill needs. at specific positions. If they have a LB rated higher than a receiver I would expect them to take the LB.
 
Well said, I should have said need not position. Clearly positions are weighed differently, which is why OTs go in the top 10 and centers go on the 3rd day. My point remains good organizations will not pass over higher rated players to fill needs. at specific positions. If they have a LB rated higher than a receiver I would expect them to take the LB.
I think it depends how much they have them rated higher. If it’s an 89 vs an 88, you take the receiver. If it’s a 89 vs. 72 you take the LB
 
I know we just drafted Ben Sinnott, but if Ertz doesn't come back, holy crap does Tyler Warren look like a weapon at that position. He's basically Taysom Hill except 4 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier, but still fast.

Did anyone else ever play Tecmo Super Bowl, where if you were close to a TD or first down you could just hit X for the dive play. Tyler Warren made that play a reality.



And of course, the play where he both snapped the ball, and caught the TD.

 
Tyler Warren is an absolute animal and quite frankly I don't classify him as a TE or a H-Back or a Flex-Y or whatever position typical tight ends are called. He is more of an athlete or playmaker. And if he is available in the back half of the first he may be the best receiver on the board (even if he's not an actual wide receiver).

I don't think having Sinnott disqualifies him from our board. Bates is an in-line guy, Warren can be as well as align as a fullback, H-Back and nasty split receiver. Sinnott is a good move guy and can play some in-line. I think even IF Ertz is back we can use Warren.
 
The best organizations absolutely draft by position… but not based on need. Premium positions. Which are exactly what we are lacking sans QB.

OT, Edge, Receiver, CB. Those are the positions we are looking at and the premium NFL positions for round 1
I agree unless you can get a generational player at a less-than-premium NFL position.

Example - if Sean Taylor is available at #4, you draft Sean Taylor.
 
I agree unless you can get a generational player at a less-than-premium NFL position.

Example - if Sean Taylor is available at #4, you draft Sean Taylor.

Agreed - every rule has an exception.

But sometimes its hard to truly identify the exception and you wind up with a total bust. So if you're not willing to risk your job on it (as a GM), and you're picking in the top 10, you don't pick a non-premium position in that spot.

If you need a QB and you take a safety over a QB, you are asking to be fired, for instance.

If you need an EDGE and take a safety - that is a bit more justifiable.

There are always nuances to this stuff.
 
I think Tyler Warren would be a great addition to this offense. He and Sinnott together would give KK some very interesting pieces to work with in play design. Two huge, incredibly athletic guys that can lineup anywhere across the field would be a major headache for any d coordinator.
 
Watched some backs and corners:

Ashton Jeanty, RB, Boise - Stats are a misleading item for collegiate players. There is a fine line between production and systemic production. So when guys blow up the stat sheet there is always some skepticism. Not with Ashton Jeanty. He has speed, size, athleticism, toughness and physicality. Oh, and he can catch, too. He has a deadly stiff arm and always seems to fall forward. The only knock I have on him, and lets face it we nitpick these kids a bit... Is he is a bit unsturdy in pass protection. One of the reasons Boise swings him is to negate that weakness, I'd bet. But very worthy of a top pick. Just need to improve his pass pro or work around it.

Trey'veon Henderson, RB, Ohio State - Downhill. He is a bit careless with the ball and a bit less quick twitch in close quarters than the other top backs. But he is a battering ram. He wants to hit people. He's a linebacker playing running back, but with better hands and speed. Damn good player and someone we should absolutely keep an eye on if Jeanty is not a realistic snag for us if we like the idea of another downhill power guy.

Quinshon Judkins, RB, Ohio State - Extremely similar to Jeanty. He is quick twitch, keeps his legs churning, can shake a snake in a phonebooth and has tremendous breakaway speed. He's another one that always falls forward. Great athlete and a guy that should be on our board. I'd be close to saying if we can get him later than Jeanty than passing on Jeanty is a real option.

Omarion Hampton, RB, UNC - He is a combination of all three backs above. He is a bruiser like Henderson. He's not quick twitch like Judkins or Jeanty, but he has the speed to evade and has some wiggle to him. He's pretty good in pass protection from what I see as well. And he's extremely productive in a tough conference with a tough schedule. This guy is the real deal. And watching all of these backs makes me think Jeanty is less of a trigger pull than I previously thought.

Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - I need more time with him. I can't tell what he can and can't do. His OL isn't great and his level of competition is tough. But he has good balance and vision and finds space to go. He's half bruiser half speed. Really hard to evaluate on just a few views.

Corners:

Travis Hunter, Absolute Weapon, Colorado - I mean... nothing else to say. He's Travis Hunter and should be a top 2-3 pick.

Will Johnson, CB, Michigan - He certainly has the respect of opposing teams... They just don't seem to go his way often and when they do they pay for it. I see some weaknesses in his game as a cover guy... He relies on his eyes, which is actually a strength, but a QB who can manipulate coverage with his eyes can buy space for his receiver. The issue for these college teams is they don't have receivers good enough to uncap Will Johnson over the top. That will be his challenge at the next level, because he isn't seeing many challenges in college.

Denzel Burke, CB, Ohio State - Plays the role. He is weaker in run support, but athletic and understands his coverages and something big from him is how he is able to flip his hips. He uses his body well in coverage and finds his assignments.

That was it for now.
 
Draft Day is the day the fan of every team can feel optimistic. I fall for it every year. Although I wanted Kyle Hamilton I believed Doctson would be a good player, same with most every first round and 2nd round pick at the time. But this draft will be different. How can we not feel more confident in the players this group selects than we have ever felt in the past?
 
I think DT comes into play only if we find ourselves in another Newton situation where that player is the best on our board or we decide that Payne's effort/contract ratio makes him a cut candidate. I can almost see that happening though it would be crazy to think that after only two years after Snyder we cut or traded all four of our "on paper" dominant first round D-Line players.

Interior pressure affects QB performance more than edge pressure. If there's a Dexter Lawrence you do it.
Just to be clear here, I was asking if DT falls into the “premium positions” category (w/ QB/Receiver/DE/OT/Corner).

I am with you guys in the implication that DT shouldn’t automatically be off the table. Of course, it could be off the table for the FO (when the draft rolls around) depending on what they plan for Allen, Payne, and how they evaluate Mathis/Newton.


On a separate note, given how the offense has underperformed vs some of the tougher defenses, the offense-centric nature of the league, and the fact we do indeed seem to have found a franchise qb… I think the priority this offseason ought to be adding support pieces for Daniels. Yes, good defense helps a qb, but IMO solidifying/improving our oline and adding weapons needs to be the primary focus. That’s not to say we ignore adding to the D of course.

Yes, we’re dealing with some injuries, but both the Philly and Steelers games showed that we need to be able to sustain more drives, run the ball better, and score more… which in turn will aid the defense.
 
I really like Warren, and agree he should not be viewed as a TE. More of a moveable chess piece that Kingsbury would love. That said, he is below average as a blocker, he loses leverage or hesitates to engage too often. He looks noticeably taller than guys like Kittle, Sinnott, etc so him going in motion is often leaving him more upright and then he's just losing his 1on1's or whiffing after that. He's ok when it's obvious who his blocking assignment is pre-snap, but he misses a lot of blitzers, or 2nd level guys filling a run lane.

He's not a Bates/Sinnott replacement. He's an Ertz or "Big Slot" guy. Although the problem with him being a "Big Slot" is that his routes are bland. He doesn't set up anything. He does have strong hands, he is good at YAC, he has some speed, he's just not fooling anyone when he does a break on a route. Honestly his footwork to setup missed tackles while running with the ball in his hands might be better than him at the top of routes. I do think Kingsbury would love to have him out at Big Slot for some bunch sets that feature a heavy amount of screens. As Warren should be a big time versatile threat out of that formation.
 
FA has some outstanding defensive players in it, so I think we focus primarily on offense in the draft.

If we came away with something like Ayomanor, Hampton and Fanning, it can absolutely push our offense over the top.
 


Limmer was the guy I was on the table for. Never loved the Stromberg pick and Limmer was an obvious upgrade for them.

Beebe I think we all loved, same with JPJ. I was high on all three of the big 3 C's. Not sure SVP has even started a game or not. Can't believe he went in the 5th.

Really shocked Limmer went in the 6th after about 20 other Cs.
 
Limmer was the guy I was on the table for. Never loved the Stromberg pick and Limmer was an obvious upgrade for them.

Beebe I think we all loved, same with JPJ. I was high on all three of the big 3 C's. Not sure SVP has even started a game or not. Can't believe he went in the 5th.

Really shocked Limmer went in the 6th after about 20 other Cs.
Limmer was a steal. He trumped Strom at Arkansas and already has in the NFL. Strom was graded too early based on drafting needs instead of BPA. Thrilled those days are gone!!!

I really liked Latham and Frazier. Frazier he went appropriately in the 2nd round. No shocker he and Beebe are at the top of this list.

I thought Latham went too early at 7. I had him in the early teens.

My favorite is still Fuaga. Though he isn't on the list, he will be
 
Limmer was a steal. He trumped Strom at Arkansas and already has in the NFL. Strom was graded too early based on drafting needs instead of BPA. Thrilled those days are gone!!!

I really liked Latham and Frazier. Frazier he went appropriately in the 2nd round. No shocker he and Beebe are at the top of this list.

I thought Latham went too early at 7. I had him in the early teens.

My favorite is still Fuaga. Though he isn't on the list, he will be
Yeah, I wasn't really sold on any of the OTs, except Alt, but he was never realistic. I wanted Paul pretty bad though and had him higher than he went.

I liked Limmer, Frazier, SVP, Beebe, JPJ and Zitner. Had most of them on day two, except Limmer who I liked in the 4rth.

That was such a great draft.

Can't be mad at passing on Paul though. Sinnott was a must have and Sain is a stud.
 
Yeah, I wasn't really sold on any of the OTs, except Alt, but he was never realistic. I wanted Paul pretty bad though and had him higher than he went.

I liked Limmer, Frazier, SVP, Beebe, JPJ and Zitner. Had most of them on day two, except Limmer who I liked in the 4rth.

That was such a great draft.

Can't be mad at passing on Paul though. Sinnott was a must have and Sain is a stud.
I think the answer will ultimately rely on how good Coleman becomes. After a solid start to the season and a really good starting debut against the Giants, I think he has suffered some rookie problems. If he figures the position out then losing Paul is irrelevant especially if Coleman is good and Sinnott emerges. So far though, Sinnott has not been able to supplant Ertz or Bates and Coleman's story is in its "too early to tell" phase.
 

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