The 2025 Draft Thread

[DWinzit]

Great example at DE.

The first decisions were moving from Young and Sweat.

We basically ended up last year with - Ferrell, Henry, Obada, JJB, Armstrong and Jones

Now it he got older with - Armstrong, JJB, Wise, Smith and Holmes. We lost young potential other than sticking with JJB and zippo youth replacements

Even Norv used later rounders to try out decent talented DEs Ike Nottage and Owens

 

[skinsinparadise]

Great example at DE.

The first decisions were moving from Young and Sweat.

We basically ended up last year with - Ferrell, Henry, Obada, JJB, Armstrong and Jones

Now it he got older with - Armstrong, JJB, Wise, Smith and Holmes. We lost young potential other than sticking with JJB and zippo youth replacements

Even Norv used later rounders to try out decent talented DEs Ike Nottage and Owens

I think its almost a given that they go all in as to the defense-pass rush. Probably WR, too in the next draft.

Among other things, the thing I like about having Peters is at a minimum he's not a dummy. I didn't feel the same about Cerrato, Bruce or Ron at the end of his tenure who could all miss the forest for the trees among other things.

 

[Commander Wraith]

I think its almost a given that they go all in as to the defense-pass rush. Probably WR, too in the next draft.

Among other things, the thing I like about having Peters is at a minimum he's not a dummy. I didn't feel the same about Cerrato, Bruce or Ron at the end of his tenure who could all miss the forest for the trees among other things.

On the other hand, I think most of us thought DE was a no-brainer this past draft, particularly given the position’s depth. There’s a part of me that likes that Peters (seemingly) didn’t lean heavily towards need.

I tend to agree with you though, even if there are a lot of positions to consider, between filling holes and replacing FAs and older guys… DE, LB, S, corner (need depth and likely a replacement for Lattimore), wr, TE, and arguably RB, C, K, P and even a developmental qb.

 

[skinsinparadise]

On the other hand, I think most of us thought DE was a no-brainer this past draft, particularly given the position’s depth. There’s a part of me that likes that Peters (seemingly) didn’t lean heavily towards need.

I tend to agree with you though, even if there are a lot of positions to consider, between filling holes and replacing FAs and older guys… DE, LB, S, corner (need depth and likely a replacement for Lattimore), wr, TE, and arguably RB, C, K, P and even a developmental qb.

Yeah agree there will always be a BPA component to it in all likelihood. But I also recall Keim saying in his podcasts before that draft -- O line, O line, O line. Also the secondary. Edge, too. But the other two spots felt just as likely. So edge was in the mix but I don't think it was slam dunk. At a minimum there were two major competing needs with edge. Next time, I don't think there is an obvious competition to edge -- maybe WR?

 

[Chris 44]

On the other hand, I think most of us thought DE was a no-brainer this past draft, particularly given the position’s depth. There’s a part of me that likes that Peters (seemingly) didn’t lean heavily towards need.

I tend to agree with you though, even if there are a lot of positions to consider, between filling holes and replacing FAs and older guys… DE, LB, S, corner (need depth and likely a replacement for Lattimore), wr, TE, and arguably RB, C, K, P and even a developmental qb.

That's a bit depressing....but true.

 

[DWinzit]

On the other hand, I think most of us thought DE was a no-brainer this past draft, particularly given the position’s depth. There’s a part of me that likes that Peters (seemingly) didn’t lean heavily towards need.

I tend to agree with you though, even if there are a lot of positions to consider, between filling holes and replacing FAs and older guys… DE, LB, S, corner (need depth and likely a replacement for Lattimore), wr, TE, and arguably RB, C, K, P and even a developmental qb.

Hopefully a couple of spots are stacked well in FA prior to raft day. That should ease the burden of forcing picks and select more fluidly with a semi BPA approach like last year.

 

[Hail Raiser]

If we hit someone for hey look at this other dude they got one year at that round or some other team got-- you are going to fail by those measures.

Every team is going to find every now and then a great pick at any round. But stastically speaking once you get past the 2nd round, your pick is more likely to fal than succeed. That's not theory. There are studies on that.

So yeah for me I am not really hung up on any round. for me its the full picture. I don't even care if you miss in the first round, if you nail a pick later in the draft and that makes up for it. There is some randomness and crap shoot aspect of drafting.

Getting caught in the why draft a QB at 2 when Tom Brady yada yada trap is definitely an act of futility. Drafting Crowder in the 4rth, definitely doesn't affect any other WR drafted in another round.

 

[Hail Raiser]

Funny, I was looking at the 2020 draft class, after seeing a meme dogging Tua. We've got two first rounders on our defense from that draft. Eagles took Reagor right in front of Jefferson (thank God). We could of had our franchise QB or LT, but nope. We already had 3 first rounders, including Sweat and still went Chase Young.

Granted we were all mostly not just on board, but excited about the pick and hindsight is pointless, but we could have traded back, possibly twice and come out with Hurts, Jefferson, Wirfs who knows.

I think our FO is playing it right in the draft looking at leaders, notoriously hard workers, guys who excelled at things like the Senior bowl more than the combine.

 

[DWinzit]

Funny, I was looking at the 2020 draft class, after seeing a meme dogging Tua. We've got two first rounders on our defense from that draft. Eagles took Reagor right in front of Jefferson (thank God). We could of had our franchise QB or LT, but nope. We already had 3 first rounders, including Sweat and still went Chase Young.

Granted we were all mostly not just on board, but excited about the pick and hindsight is pointless, but we could have traded back, possibly twice and come out with Hurts, Jefferson, Wirfs who knows.

I think our FO is playing it right in the draft looking at leaders, notoriously hard workers, guys who excelled at things like the Senior bowl more than the combine.

It is crazy that we now have Noah and Kinlaw and they are more productive that the #2 pick in the draft (barf)

If Tua had not insured himself we would have been sitting pretty at 2 and ended up with Burrow or a healthy Tua. I was a fan of both (pre-inury). Having sustained a hip injury myself, Tua was off my board early, not worthy of the risk.

I wanted a trade back due to our shit roster. Vvirtually all the ESers argued can't pass on such a stud as Chase, ugh.

I crushed on Wirfs early he was a no brainer pug and play stud RT. Then second tier Winfield, Higgins and/or Pittman.

The Antonio Gibson selection has to date felt similar to the Sinnott selection. I really liked both on draft day and thought they fit our teams needs or coaching wants. They were both selected a round earlier than they should have been and neither was used as expected which lead neither lived up to expectations. SInnott is only in his second year and should begin to be given a bigger role beginning tomorrow. I hope he can begin to shine as a blocker as well as the offensive move weapon I believe he was selected for.

 

[method man]

We might have ended up with our starting LT for this year without having to give a cadre of picks away for Tunsil (Patrick Paul has a 72 PFF grade through a couple games so far)

3 games in. I think we are starting to see the player Paul is now. Has a 79.6 pass block grade and a 52.1 run block grade. A rich man’s Cornelius Lucas and a $20m+ a year player on a rookie deal. I’d definitely take that

 

[skinsinparadise]

3 games in. I think we are starting to see the player Paul is now. Has a 79.6 pass block grade and a 52.1 run block grade. A rich man’s Cornelius Lucas and a $20m+ a year player on a rookie deal. I’d definitely take that

Also the power of patience with O lineman. It's not always a rapid ascent rookie season. Paul wasn't as good last year.

Anton Harrison, also a dude who wasn't hot his rookie year is rounding up so far this year as a gem of a pass blocker. A dude I liked among others on the board at the time.

 

[method man]

Also the power of patience with O lineman. It's not always a rapid ascent rookie season. Paul wasn't as good last year.

Anton Harrison, also a dude who wasn't hot his rookie year is rounding up so far this year as a gem of a pass blocker. A dude I liked among others on the board at the time.

Yep and, with Paul, the reason he slipped into the 2nd was his rawness. They let him sit most of last year behind Armstead

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

Funny, I was looking at the 2020 draft class, after seeing a meme dogging Tua. We've got two first rounders on our defense from that draft. Eagles took Reagor right in front of Jefferson (thank God). We could of had our franchise QB or LT, but nope. We already had 3 first rounders, including Sweat and still went Chase Young.

Granted we were all mostly not just on board, but excited about the pick and hindsight is pointless, but we could have traded back, possibly twice and come out with Hurts, Jefferson, Wirfs who knows.

I think our FO is playing it right in the draft looking at leaders, notoriously hard workers, guys who excelled at things like the Senior bowl more than the combine.

I think you nailed one of the measuring sticks they are using. I won't fault them for that.

At some point down the road, they may pivot and be more open to a nutjob like Jalen Carter depending on the upside. Frankly, I would rather root for a team that loses the NFCCG without Carter than wins the Super Bowl with Carter.

I feel like, in 2025, I am deep in the minority there in the wider population. On this board, I am guessing I have 50% (or at least close) on board with me, but it's just a guess.

 

[Hail Raiser]

I think you nailed one of the measuring sticks they are using. I won't fault them for that.

At some point down the road, they may pivot and be more open to a nutjob like Jalen Carter depending on the upside. Frankly, I would rather root for a team that loses the NFCCG without Carter than wins the Super Bowl with Carter.

I feel like, in 2025, I am deep in the minority there in the wider population. On this board, I am guessing I have 50% (or at least close) on board with me, but it's just a guess.

Once we have a stronger baseline in our locker room, I'm good with drafting some goons. I'd rather they not be and I absolutely loathe the term choir boys.

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

Once we have a stronger baseline in our locker room, I'm good with drafting some goons. I'd rather they not be and I absolutely loathe the term choir boys.

Oh yeah, well, let's be clear. Dexter Manley was no choir boy. This team's history has always had guys who played tough. I just feel like Jalen Carter is way over the line. I don't like absolute jerks. I feel like the Eagles fanbase will generally (not all) love Carter. I do think there are plenty of DC fans these days who agree with that philosophy. I do not.

 

[Hail Raiser]

Oh yeah, well, let's be clear. Dexter Manley was no choir boy. This team's history has always had guys who played tough. I just feel like Jalen Carter is way over the line. I don't like absolute jerks. I feel like the Eagles fanbase will generally (not all) love Carter. I do think there are plenty of DC fans these days who agree with that philosophy. I do not.

Dexter was a crack head that couldn't read. Sean Taylor came around when he had a kid, but he was every bit as bad as Carter, if not worse.

 

[Anselmheifer]

Dexter was a crack head that couldn't read. Sean Taylor came around when he had a kid, but he was every bit as bad as Carter, if not worse.

I generally agree with you, but I don’t think not being able to read should be a character assassination. That’s not part of the math for me, other than, defensive and offensive schemes are so complex these days, I don’t not being able to read drastically affects your ability to succeed.

 

[Hail Raiser]

I generally agree with you, but I don’t think not being able to read should be a character assassination. That’s not part of the math for me, other than, defensive and offensive schemes are so complex these days, I don’t not being able to read drastically affects your ability to succeed.

You're probably right, but after a few years of college, if you cared at all, you'd learn.

 

[Conn]

You're probably right, but after a few years of college, if you cared at all, you'd learn.

The way grade schools, high schools, and colleges are incentivized to pass kids through, especially athletes (and especially early declares), I bet there are quite a few functionally illiterate fellas in the NFL, more than people would think. Many of these guys never go to class and now some make more NIL money in college than any of us ever will, before ever hitting the NFL. The southern HS > SEC big college ball with low academic requirements > NFL pipeline is strong and I bet lots of those guys sit at about a 5th-6th grade reading level. Something like 30% of American adults are functionally illiterate, that number may be higher or lower within the NFL but I guarantee it exists at a rate higher than we realize. Between Siri voice texts, Chat GPT, etc. it’s easier to hide than ever, especially with money to burn and people around you to handle your business.

It’s not even a matter of intelligence so much as it’s a matter of academic accountability being lacking from a young age when you’re very talented and have big money in your future. The adults in your life become very invested in seeing you succeed athletically, not necessarily in class.

 

[Commander Wraith]

The way grade schools, high schools, and colleges are incentivized to pass kids through, especially athletes (and especially early declares), I bet there are quite a few functionally illiterate fellas in the NFL, more than people would think. Many of these guys never go to class and now some make more NIL money in college than any of us ever will, before ever hitting the NFL. The southern HS > SEC big college ball with low academic requirements > NFL pipeline is strong and I bet lots of those guys sit at about a 5th-6th grade reading level. Something like 35% of American adults are functionally illiterate, that number may be higher or lower within the NFL but I guarantee it exists at a rate higher than we realize. Between Siri voice texts, Chat GPT, etc. it’s easier to hide than ever, especially with money to burn and people around you to handle your business.

It’s not even a matter of intelligence so much as it’s a matter of academic accountability being lacking from a young age when you’re very talented and have big money in your future. The adults in your life become very invested in seeing you succeed athletically, not necessarily in class.

Not to mention that I’d bet the default becomes trying to hide one’s ability to read, vs trying to rectify the situation.