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If Coleman actually can start at LT and not be a liability, that’s huge. Because between Nog Luc and Wiley, they can cover the RT spot. It wouldn’t be a strength, but it would be ok.

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Regardless of the rest of the draft... I Coleman hit's at LT, it's the most important pick in 2024.

If he doesn't hit, its understood that they tried, but if it does, it's a cornerstone resume builder.
 
Regardless of the rest of the draft... I Coleman hit's at LT, it's the most important pick in 2024.

If he doesn't hit, its understood that they tried, but if it does, it's a cornerstone resume builder.
Eh, I think Daniels is the most import pick in the draft by a pretty good margin.

Coleman would be in the argument for second, but it would definitely be huge.
 
Eh, I think Daniels is the most import pick in the draft by a pretty good margin.

Coleman would be in the argument for second, but it would definitely be huge.


Fair, but if Coleman hits, it's going to change the trajectory of the franchise, almost as much as the QB position does, simply because it's a 3rd round pick.

And by hit, i don't mean marginal, I mean long term starter at the positon
 
Fair, but if Coleman hits, it's going to change the trajectory of the franchise, almost as much as the QB position does, simply because it's a 3rd round pick.

And by hit, i don't mean marginal, I mean long term starter at the positon
This might be semantics, but a QB alters the direction of a team in a way that is FAR greater than literally any other player on the team.

Would it be extremely helpful if Coleman turns into a 10 year starter after being a 3rd round pick, which would remove pressure on finding a LT either in the upcoming draft or in Free Agency. I get it, it would be really, really good.

I personally don't think it's franchise altering though. I think hitting on a QB who becomes a top 5 QB in the league is franchise altering.
 
But is it possible to have a top 5 QB without a top 15 line? A top 5 QB makes everyone around him better, but we've all seen enough football to know that a QB on his back and running for his life every game never gets to show off what they can do.

Daniels' importance is greater than Coleman's, but Daniels' development depends on having a good o line protecting him and giving him time.
 
I think you can also flip that argument. A top QB, one who gets rid of the ball, makes quick decisions, has good pocket awareness, and is an effective threat to run, is going to make things radically easier for your OL and boost their effectiveness and production. For me, it's hard to separate the two things.
 
Yep. I often think of this in terms of half grades. A great coach is going to make the talent look about a half-grade better. Gibbs, in his glory days, was said to take B-level talent and turn them into A's. Likewise, the Hogs made Mark Rypien an A-level QB in '91. When he lost the Hogs, he struggled to even be a B-level QB. To your point, Boone, Tom Brady absolutely elevated his wide receiver and probably his o-line group routinely by getting the ball out so much faster than anyone else, being accurate, and knowing exactly what he wanted to do.

Still, a good QB, coach, or o-line can only raise the group of the other so much and each are reliant on the other. A good QB can only overcome a bad o-line to a degree. A good o-line can't improve a bad QBs accuracy or field awareness. A bad play caller can submarine all.
 
Coleman just looks like a competitor. I agree with Brian Mitchell that Rivera didn't bring in enough of those type of hard nosed players.

In terms of position, Brandon Scherff was drafted at #5 overall to be a LT, then he was moved to RT and ultimately became a LG as a starter at a high level.

A good GM just keeps bringing in talented football players and the coaches find the best spot for them.

If Coleman becomes a starter and potential pro bowl RT or LG instead of LT I am not going to break down and cry.
 
A couple quick notes from what I heard reported today.

First day in Pads and Coleman is lined up at LT with the first team. I heard Tischler, as well as JP Finlay say they believe the job is Coleman's to win at this point. They WANT him to be the guy there, so he will be afforded that opportunity. Also heard them say he held his own today in practice with pads on.









Jayden Daniels also started with the first team. Again, I put a bit more in this data point, than when they were doing it in 7 on 7 drills.

 
I have high hopes for Ekeler this year. He’s not a between the tackles guy, which is what it seemed like the Chargers were doing to him. He’s an out in space guy. Robinson will be the workhorse to pound it inside and I’m really hopeful that Ekeler will be the guy to get on the edges and run away from LBs who can’t cover him.
 
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Yeah, that echoes what I've been saying Kel. I think Ekeler may be the most impactful guy we added in free agency, and that's saying something with guys like Wagner, Luvu, and Chinn...
 
But is it possible to have a top 5 QB without a top 15 line? A top 5 QB makes everyone around him better, but we've all seen enough football to know that a QB on his back and running for his life every game never gets to show off what they can do.

Daniels' importance is greater than Coleman's, but Daniels' development depends on having a good o line protecting him and giving him time.
Yes, I think it is.

When you look at overall protection, there are a whole bunch of things which go into it:

1. QB play. Get the ball out quickly, the protection looks better.
2. Play calling, organizing the sequence of plays and the mix of plays to give the offense the advantage, not be predictable, and not put the QB in bad positions.
3. Scheme, using matchups and play design to get players open
4. Skill position players winning at the top of routes immediately giving the QB somewhere to throw the ball in the timing of the play
5. OL play.

And for me, that's the order.

If you are doing offense correctly in this particular iteration of football, if you have your QB drop back and read a defense out and really put pressure on the OL more than 7-10 times a game, you're doing it wrong or you stink like the south end of a north bound skunk on 1st and 2nd down.

Between the run game, quick game and screens, that is the majority of modern offenses. Do those things well, the ball should be out and the OL play is greatly minimized, at least form a pass protection perspective.

Don't do those things well (or in the case of EB, don't even try to do them), and you put the QB and the offense in known passing situations, and then you need to have the hogs in order to be successful.

I will caveat, I think OL play is important, but I think it's also one of the things fans fixate on when other things are more important. I'm generally in the minority in most conversations on this, where a lot of fans of this team put OL second behind QB in terms of importance. I put it much lower down the list. It's my opinion, it flows counter to the grain.
 
Yeah, that echoes what I've been saying Kel. I think Ekeler may be the most impactful guy we added in free agency, and that's saying something with guys like Wagner, Luvu, and Chinn...
I think he and Ertz are going to be sneaky productive this year. Both sortof left for dead. If it's true Ekler played hurt all of last year, that's going to be a huge boost.

I also think the offense is going to look different that a lot of people think. There is a narrative the offense is going to be predicated on the run game, using a combination of Robinson, Ekler and Daniels to try and mimic the Eagles with their ability to run the ball, and then play-action off of it.

Personally, I am not buying it. I think the offense is going to run through Daniels and the quick passing game more than anything. I think you're going to see an awful lot of "quick throw instead of a run" plays with the intent of getting the ball to players in space so if they make one guy miss, it's a chunk play. They will supplement with the run game, and they will use Daniels as a run threat, they'd be crazy not to.

But I think Eckler could have a 50 catch season, maybe more. He won't be used as a runner as much, but he's going to be a pass catcher a whole bunch.
 

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