Random Commanders Thoughts

[burgold]

I remember being really surprised when we traded both Chase Young and Montez Sweat. I wonder if it would have been better to keep Sweat? I don't think he's been amazing with Chicago, but we certainly could use a body with a little pass rushing oomph at DE.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I remember being really surprised when we traded both Chase Young and Montez Sweat. I wonder if it would have been better to keep Sweat? I don't think he's been amazing with Chicago, but we certainly could use a body with a little pass rushing oomph at DE.

They would have had to give Sweat a contract as well. Chicago gave him a massive contract (4 yrs 98 million with 72 million guaranteed) for what has been pretty poor production. He had 6 sacks after being traded and then got the contract. He had 5.5 total last year and only 2 so far this year.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I wanted to look up Sweat's PFF as that was one I thought they may regret. But then I read where someone was taking an Uber ride and the driver said he graded for PFF. So I just can't take them seriously after that.

 

[Conn]

I wanted to look up Sweat's PFF as that was one I thought they may regret. But then I read where someone was taking an Uber ride and the driver said he graded for PFF. So I just can't take them seriously after that.

Idk, it’s a low level white collar job like any other. They’re given certain guidelines, trained, and then they watch each play multiple times and follow the guidelines. But it’s still not a glamorous job, I imagine it’s like data entry but with the film portion first. Lots of lower level white collar jobs have people driving uber on the side and such.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Should've never have traded for Lattimore. Teams don't willingly let good players,especially at corner,go.

Gave up alot for a hurt player that was already on the decline when a smart, forward thinking GM would've kept focus on rebuilding an old depleted roster with much needed draft picks.

Lattimore has brought this team absolutely nothing they could've got in the draft or off the street.
An overall bad decision.

We gave up a 3rd, 4th and 6th, and got a 5th back. It really wasn't that much.

It looks bad in hindsight, but it's impossible to sign good CBs in FA because they don't exist, and it's hard to draft them because hitting on a CB is not easy. So was it worth a shot? Probably. Did it work out? Absolutely not.

But they didn't even give up a second rounder, so it's not THAT bad. 3rd and 4th round picks bust within 2 years much more than 50% of the time league wide. So it's not like it was a sure fire starter that we gave up.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

I remember being really surprised when we traded both Chase Young and Montez Sweat. I wonder if it would have been better to keep Sweat? I don't think he's been amazing with Chicago, but we certainly could use a body with a little pass rushing oomph at DE.

I personally think he was extremely overrated, rarely came through in a big spot, and was going to be extremely expensive. I was fine moving on from him. I was opposed to giving him a big money deal from the start. I think I was in the minority. I was also opposed to Ron/Dan giving Payne a big money extension when they knew the team was for sale. It hasn't been a disaster, but it hasn't been great until this year either

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Some will view citing our ridiculous # of injuries as 'excuse making' but I just don't think you can ignore that as a huge factor in how the season is going so far. Note I didn't say the only reason, but to pretend that the available talent coaches have to work with is not a primary factor I think would be a mistake.

This is a somewhat complicated subject for me, but I agree. The reason it's complicated is because I refused to give Jay a lot of leeway when his teams had a lot of injuries. The difference, however, might just be messaging.

Quinn OPENLY is saying injuries are a factor, but not the reason they are losing. He points to other things (turnovers, penalties, missed assignments, play style) which he says are unacceptable. I appreciate all of this.

Jay was just ho-hum, lots of injuries, dear me what am I going to do? Guess I'll stick my thumb up my butt and call a running play for 0 yards on first down for 3 years. That didn't work? Ok, let's try 2 fingers and the same play. Such a dumbass. But I digress.

So, when people tried to say, "but the injuries!!!" with Jay, I always like, "frowny face, I don't care. At least give the illusion that you are trying something to get around them."

But there is also no question injuries have played a huge role in the team this season, the record, the preparation, etc. And it can't be ignored.

And as long as Quinn doesn't start using it as an excuse, I think it's fine to consider it important context to our situation.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Voice_of_Reason

Yet Jay Gruden is the only coach since 1992 to record back-to back winning seasons in Washington. (Hopefully DQ changes that, remains to be seen). I am not a huge fan of Jay, but he was far from the worst in that time span.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Voice_of_Reason

Yet Jay Gruden is the only coach since 1992 to record back-to back winning seasons in Washington. (Hopefully DQ changes that, remains to be seen). I am not a huge fan of Jay, but he was far from the worst in that time span.

One of his winning seasons was an 8-7-1 debacle so I count that as a moral victory. The other one was a 9-7 division win.

He sucks. Theres a thread on worst coaches. So we can leave it here. But he was an actively bad coach.

 

[method man]

Voice_of_Reason

Yet Jay Gruden is the only coach since 1992 to record back-to back winning seasons in Washington. (Hopefully DQ changes that, remains to be seen). I am not a huge fan of Jay, but he was far from the worst in that time span.

I’ll always remember the win over the Seahawks in 2017 with all the rando OLs off the street, the Doctson catch and Zach Brown playing like an absolute maniac

I’ll also remember that loss in Tennessee in 2018 where AP tried his hardest to put the team on his back and lead the team to a victory. One of the greatest single game efforts from a player I can remember. Kinda crazy we won the week before with Josh Johnson against JAX after picking him up off the street two weeks before. If Alex Smith stays healthy a game or two longer that season or Colt stays healthy, the 2018 team is a playoff team

 

[36ST21]

I wanted to look up Sweat's PFF as that was one I thought they may regret. But then I read where someone was taking an Uber ride and the driver said he graded for PFF. So I just can't take them seriously after that.

That lowers my opinion of Uber as well. 👺

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

I have been wanting to post something almost exactly like what this guy wrote on RiggosRag, so I'll just link it. It really boggles the mind how bad Ron was.
There were multiple instances where he thought he knew better and led us FURTHER down the pit of despair as a result.

Commanders passed on the star fans begged for and regret keeps growing

This would have changed everything, but Ron Rivera had other ideas.

riggosrag.com

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

We gave up a 3rd, 4th and 6th, and got a 5th back. It really wasn't that much.

It looks bad in hindsight, but it's impossible to sign good CBs in FA because they don't exist, and it's hard to draft them because hitting on a CB is not easy. So was it worth a shot? Probably. Did it work out? Absolutely not.

But they didn't even give up a second rounder, so it's not THAT bad. 3rd and 4th round picks bust within 2 years much more than 50% of the time league wide. So it's not like it was a sure fire starter that we gave up.

You know, the obvious counter to stats like that is that if we bust 50% of the time, we are by your definition average. So, if we had kept both picks and we envision ourselves as above average, we should hit on one almost for sure and potentially hit on both.

I think the problem a lot of fans have with that trade is that they look at the situation askance; there was a distrust for getting Lattimore in that fashion, like the Saints knew something we didn't.

I don't make that trade 95 out of 100 times, but in our situation last year? That was in that last 5 there, potentially. We were in a dream season and trying to do what we could to get over the top. If it HAD worked out as planned, we may have made the Super Bowl (legitimately true). I would think AP has no full regret on that one except in hindsight. Situationally and with what we knew, it was a gamble that could be justified fairly easily, I think.

My issues (personally) are way more present than that.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

You know, the obvious counter to stats like that is that if we bust 50% of the time, we are by your definition average. So, if we had kept both picks and we envision ourselves as above average, we should hit on one almost for sure and potentially hit on both.

I think the problem a lot of fans have with that trade is that they look at the situation askance; there was a distrust for getting Lattimore in that fashion, like the Saints knew something we didn't.

I don't make that trade 95 out of 100 times, but in our situation last year? That was in that last 5 there, potentially. We were in a dream season and trying to do what we could to get over the top. If it HAD worked out as planned, we may have made the Super Bowl (legitimately true). I would think AP has no full regret on that one except in hindsight. Situationally and with what we knew, it was a gamble that could be justified fairly easily, I think.

My issues (personally) are way more present than that.

But "hit on" for a 3rd and 4th round pick is generally a better than replacement level starter.

They were betting Lattimore was going to be a blue chip CB.

It's even more rare for a 3rd or 4th rounder to develop into that level of production.

Did the Saints know more than us? Sure. I still think it was worth the risk. If it works, it's a force multiplier for your defense. If it doesn't, you are committed for 1 year, lose 2 mid-round picks and move on.

Philly does this type of thing all the time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. They traded a 3rd for Dotson. Has that worked out? Eh? He had a heck of a catch yesterday. But overall? They take risks, sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't.

 

[DWinzit]

I have been wanting to post something almost exactly like what this guy wrote on RiggosRag, so I'll just link it. It really boggles the mind how bad Ron was.
There were multiple instances where he thought he knew better and led us FURTHER down the pit of despair as a result.

Commanders passed on the star fans begged for and regret keeps growing

This would have changed everything, but Ron Rivera had other ideas.

riggosrag.com

Oh yes. They could have written the same article on the Davis over Darrisaw selection, or the Dotson over Hamilton or Olave or Davis (eh). Shit decision making.

 

[Chris]

Last year after starting 4-2 the Bears gave away a win vs Washington and lost 10 in a row.

This year after starting 3-2 the Commanders gave away a win vs the Bears and have lost 3 in a row (so far).

 

[Chris]

I think that Zack, Bobby, and Von are now realizing that this is their final season and time to move on to their futures beyond playing.

I don’t for one second fault the organization for bringing in Ertz or Wagner as culture setters for the start of the ‘recalibration’. Ertz has taken a step back and Wagner has now become more of a liability than an asset. Miller I am not so understanding of, seemed like a desperate throwing of a dart.

 

[method man]

I think that Zack, Bobby, and Von are now realizing that this is their final season and time to move on to their futures beyond playing.

I don’t for one second fault the organization for bringing in Ertz or Wagner as culture setters for the start of the ‘recalibration’. Ertz has taken a step back and Wagner has now become more of a liability than an asset. Miller I am not so understanding of, seemed like a desperate throwing of a dart.

I don’t know about Von. He is still getting a lot of pressures in his limited snaps. He would have some trade value if we moved him

 

[Chris]

I don’t know about Von. He is still getting a lot of pressures in his limited snaps. He would have some trade value if we moved him

Maybe though I personally doubt it. Wonderful if so.

In general I believe that fans overestimate the value of their team’s players.

 

[method man]

Maybe though I personally doubt it. Wonderful if so.

In general I believe that fans overestimate the value of their team’s players.

I agree but a lot of teams need pass rush, even if situational and some would fork over a 6th or 7th for a Hall of Famer who has won two Super Bowls and is still effective in that specific role