Could it be Tua?

Lots of theories on what the team has in mind.. It hit me !like a bolt what their secret plan is. Stick with Haskins, lose at least 13 games, get the first pick and ,drum roll please, grab Trevor Lawrence.
 
Henry said:
And that's a no on Smith.

There is no way a 36 year old with 17 leg surgeries should be a significant part of the QB equation of a 3-win team in the process of a major rebuild. If he thinks he can play, and he can stay on the field for a game or two, I could see the Redskins keeping him around as a backup, simply because his ridiculous contract keeps us from cutting him. But I seriously hope you or the team aren't suggesting he has any kind of a chance to start for this team. That would be, in my opinion, a terrible step backwards.
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Like I said, he is going to try to come back. Like it, hate it, throw yourself on the ground in mud about it. It's going to happen.

What happens after that is as good a guess as anyone's. But, to dismiss him merely due to age and surgeries is silly. We already have the rights to him and he is going to try. I would be more willing to try with him over a QB that has had 2 ankle and hip surgery before even stepping on the NFL field.

You have zero idea what he will do and neither do I. San Diego ditched Brees after his shoulder surgery. Imagine if NE ditched Brady after his ACL. The list goes on and on. You let the man under contract already give it a shot at least. Then you make your decision.
 
I've written an entire blog about 'Humpty Dumpty', so my position is already out there. What we as fans think doesn't matter much. Smith is still on this roster. If he is able to take the field (practice, camp, or otherwise) and outshine Haskins, he will be the starter. I'm not putting a % on the likelihood of it happening, but if he is able to play and outplay Haskins, how could that not be the outcome?
 
No thanks. You dont start Smith. He’s not 27 year-old Drew Brees. He’s not Tom Brady in the middle of the greatest run in NFL franchise history. Theres no comparison there.

He’s not the future of this team. You’re not building a new team around him. If he doesnt want to retire he can sit on the bench and mentor The Future of the Franchise.

I would prefer him as a backup over drafting Tua, but he’s done as a starter here. This team needs to move forward. Building a team around an old and busted QB would be something I’d like to think the Redskins have learned, from vast experience, to stop doing.
 
I don't disagree in terms of 'should'. In fact, I couldn't agree more with you. It's time to build for the future.

If they did start him, it might be justifiable since he could be the best QB on the roster, in terms of abilities, right now.

But I still agree 100% with you.
 
All sounds kinda premature to me. They haven't seen Tua in action. And they haven't seen Haskins in their system either.

On the other hand, there's a logbook on Haskins...corporate memory as it were...that didn't leave when Allen or the rest departed the pattern. They have a sense or else we wouldn't be seeing these moves.

We are talking a 3-13 team. A team that
- needs a longer-term LT
- an overall upgrade to the consistency, health (and talent?) of its o-line
- a longer-term solution at RB
- a TE (or two)
- a speedster wide-out to complement McLaurin
- a QB
- another edge rusher
- LBs who can cover in space and pass rush
- two starting CBs
- a free safety

Let's dispense with the "we're close" thinking. Too much ground to cover. Now is the time to make any big changes the Riverboat pilot believes are needed. We're gonna get talent in the first round regardless...IMO. The bigger gap is zippity shot at the second round talent (at this time) to fill one of these other needs.

As for Chase, does anyone seriously believe we're looking at 10 years of stardom? I, of course, don't know. But I do sense that all these guys seem to have a shelf-life that is growing ever shorter as NFL players become bigger, stronger, faster and quicker - and coaches more adept at scheming Every draft we hear about these game changers. Very few have sustained excellence over a lengthy career. So, in my mind, these high value potential stars figure more in a 3-5 year window than anything long-term.

Conclusion? It doesn't matter! Make your mistakes now..at the outset of the rebuild partially initiated last season. Tua could be nice...unless...obviously...he ends up injured behind a mediocre o-line. Haskins may not fit the evolving MaHomes/Jackson model. That's Turner's and Riverboat's problem to solve. So far, we haven't heard anything about their vision....the concepts they want to put into action. We don't know where they are headed at the moment - other than, so rumor has it, changing the culture.

Eh.....whatever happens......happens.
 
fansince62 said:
Every draft we hear about these game changers. Very few have sustained excellence over a lengthy career. So, in my mind, these high value potential stars figure more in a 3-5 year window than anything long-term.
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And the ones who do show their potential stardom get shipped off by us to be stars on other teams, because Snyder is an idiot that knows nothing about football, but still refuses to let the football people do their jobs.
 
I've been following this league since I was 10 yrs old and it seems like every year every one keeps telling me that the running QB is the wave of the future and that we need to make sure we get on that train.

Yet the most successful Qb in NFL history is a pocket passer that can slide around in the pocket but couldn't run to save his life.

Build the Oline,get a good TE and another WR and let's see what Haskins can do.
 
Are you saying you think Tua is a running QB - because that's not what I see. He's shifty in the pocket, and he can certainly run, but he definitely thrives in the pocket...
 
Boone said:
Are you saying you think Tua is a running QB - because that's not what I see. He's shifty in the pocket, and he can certainly run, but he definitely thrives in the pocket...
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Al was talking about fitting the Mahomes/Jackson model.

As far as Tua goes, I thought I heard it reported that it would take a good year for them to even know if he was getting normal blood flow back in his hip?

If that's the case, let somebody else take that gamble.
 
He's athletic and can run, but he's primarily a pocket passer. He had a serious injury, no doubt. But I think what you heard is hugely exaggerated. He may well play in 2020. I'm not saying that's ideal, but by May he will have had a full 6 months of recovery time, and a full 10 months by the time the NFL regular season really gets into swing. That's a pretty long recovery time.
 
I've been a Redskins fan for 33 years. In that time, I can pretty much say that at some point, my team has had what many in league circles have perceived to be some of the top talents at their positions.

Offense:
Running Back: Clinton Portis...2nd all-time on the Redskins rushing list.
Wide Receiver: The Posse...my childhood heroes led by the great Hall of Famer Art Monk.
Offensive Line: The Hogs...enough said.
Cornerback: Three Hall of Famers in Darrell Green, Champ Bailey, and Deion Sanders all played together on the same team at one time. While Deion wasn't the Deion he was at other points in his career, this is a pretty cool story to share one day with a grandchild.
Defensive Line: You can't deny that the Redskins have swung hard trying to correct their issues throughout the years along the defensive front. Big name acquisitions in the past like Bruce Smith, Dana Stubblefield, and Albert Haynesworth happened. The likes of guys like Dexter Manley and Charles Mann weren't too shabby either.
Linebacker: the free agency acquisition of All-Pro Wilber Marshall helped catapult the Redskins defense to the "dominant" category in the championship '91 season.
Safety: The name brings a smile and sadness all bundled into one package: Sean Taylor. May you forever rest in peace.
Special Teams: It's not really that much of a stretch to argue that Tress Way has been the most valuable Redskins player over the course of the last few seasons. Consistently consistent and reliable.

You know what position we've consistently sucked at with a capital "S"? Quarterback. At no point could I ever claim with pride that my team had a cream of the crop QB in 33 years of being a fan. That being said, is it really that shocking that I've experienced 9 playoff appearances cheering on this franchise?! Yes, NINE! In my life as a Skins fan, that equates to 27% of the time making the playoffs. 27%! I'll say it again, 9 appearances, 27%.

Sorry to cause nausea and vomiting, but...Jay Shroeder, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, Jeff Rutledge, Rich Gannon, Cary Conklin, Heath Shuler, Jon Friesz, Gus Frerotte, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Shane Matthews, Patrick Ramsey, Danny Wuerffel, Tim Hasslebeck, Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, John Beck, RG3, Kirk Cousins, Colt McCoy, Alex Smith, Josh Johnson, Mark Sanchez, Case Keenum. Those are the guys that have started behind center in my time.

And then there is Dwayne. If Rivera and company truly believe he's just another name that can be clumped with primarily a clump of pooh in the list above, then sign me up all day for at the very least honestly exploring the possibility of Tagovailoa over Young.

It's about time we get the Quarterback right and find a superstar there if we want to have true, meaningful sustained success as a franchise.
 
DieselPwr44 said:
Al was talking about fitting the Mahomes/Jackson model.

As far as Tua goes, I thought I heard it reported that it would take a good year for them to even know if he was getting normal blood flow back in his hip?

If that's the case, let somebody else take that gamble.
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I could not disagree with this post any more...Mahomes and Jackson are 2 very, very different QB's. Mahomes is more in the mold of Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers...but probably better. He is a pocket QB who is so quick he has the ability to change on the fly and does, often.

While Jackson has the athleticism to do much the same, they cater to his ability to run like a RB in that system in Baltimore. Jackson runs run plays that are called runs, and it opens up a lot for their offense. They are running a read option of sorts in Baltimore. Lamar Jackson could never go into KC and run that West Coast offense the way Mahomes does...it's not his style.

Jackson will be a decent QB, but the NFL will catch up to him. Mahomes is an outstanding QB who can escape pressure with his elusiveness...this is the new NFL mold for QB's. This is becoming the norm.

Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Tua Tagovoiloa, Josh Allen, Gardner Minshew, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson...this is the future of the NFL. Good QB's with great quickness...none are running backs playing QB...They are QB's who can run it.

The Tom Brady's of the NFL will be obsolete the faster and faster the big guys on defense get. Did you watch any of them run the 40? You had 280-300lb men run ing 4.7 40's. There was a LB who weighs 245 running a 4.3 40 and a few a little lighter, and many that size running 4.4's.

The NFL QB has to adjust to that, and we see that transformation happening right now.
 
Henry said:
No thanks. You dont start Smith. He’s not 27 year-old Drew Brees. He’s not Tom Brady in the middle of the greatest run in NFL franchise history. Theres no comparison there.

He’s not the future of this team. You’re not building a new team around him. If he doesnt want to retire he can sit on the bench and mentor The Future of the Franchise.

I would prefer him as a backup over drafting Tua, but he’s done as a starter here. This team needs to move forward. Building a team around an old and busted QB would be something I’d like to think the Redskins have learned, from vast experience, to stop doing.
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You start the best player. Period. Age and surgeries should not matter as long as the talent and durability are there.
 
We probably should keep something in mind. We don't know what kind of roster control Ron Rivera has, but I can't see our beloved owner ever admitting he whiffed on Haskins.
 
Boone said:
He didn’t stand in the way of Gruden moving on from RG3 when it needed to happen. Just sayin’...
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You are correct sir. But isn't there some kind of personal connection between Snyder's son and Haskins. I could be mistaken about this.
 
No - I think you’re correct on that. I don’t think Snyder has the balls to countermand his new head coach if in his assessment Haskins isn’t a starting NFL QB, but that’s just my opinion. I would think this would’ve been discussed during the pre-hire period as a ‘what if?’
 
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