Abercrombie Admits There Are No Obama Birth Records In Hawaii

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fansince62 said:
ok!

you weren't using the term "Right" as a pejorative and you weren't making an equally emotional threat to vote for Obama just to spite the "Right" you find irrational in its chase for the magic birth certificate.

it does, however, raise an interesting question....what then do you mean by "the Right"?
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I mean just what you think i mean by The Right, just not in a pejorative sense. I find myself agreeing with the Right on a lot of things; I find myself agreeing with the Left on fewer things, but still agreeing with them plenty of times. I think I've been pretty clear that I am in the middle for the most part.

Now, if ever refer to the extreme far Right or Left, then I am probably being pejorative. Not crazy about the extremes on either side.
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Goaldeje said:
I mean just what you think i mean by The Right, just not in a pejorative sense. I find myself agreeing with the Right on a lot of things; I find myself agreeing with the Left on fewer things, but still agreeing with them plenty of times. I think I've been pretty clear that I am in the middle for the most part.

Now, if ever refer to the extreme far Right or Left, then I am probably being pejorative. Not crazy about the extremes on either side.
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got it. I do respectfully submit, however, that threatening to vote for Obama out of spite may not be the most penetrating reason for saddling future generations with mountains of debt. if you believe in his vision and policies...those are credible reasons. but not spite!
 
Originally Posted by Henry:

So I'm not really sure why we're still talking about this.


ok! so let's talk about abortion. I kid. I kid.
 
FS, i would not do that. We need a sarcasm, or an exasperated smiley.

My point is that it gets tiresome hearing the Right debate this kind of topic. I find it destroys their credibility with me over other issues. If they are willing to go balls to walls for something like this, why should I take them seriously on their next topic du jour? In my opinion, they reduce themselves to caricatures or cartoons which are hard to take seriously.

Little boy who cried wolf, i guess.

If i vote for Obama (which seems more and more unlikely), it will be because I agree with him more than whomever the Right puts up, or I buy into his vision and completely forget the last 2.5 years. :)
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So since anything can be photoshopped, the lesson learned here is that we can never trust any document ever again. So what's the point of arguing? Even if Obama called a press conference in 20 minutes, and put forth a copy of the birth certificate Sarge posted earlier, a portion of the country would say it was a fake.
 
Lanky Livingston said:
So since anything can be photoshopped, the lesson learned here is that we can never trust any document ever again. So what's the point of arguing? Even if Obama called a press conference in 20 minutes, and put forth a copy of the birth certificate Sarge posted earlier, a portion of the country would say it was a fake.
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It would go a long way for a lot of people I think. If I see that come out and get examined, ie carbon dating;) then I'd probably be good and just go back to bashing him for being a ****ty president
 
Listen to what you are saying...carbon dating a birth certificate. Really?
 
You know what I mean. Have it examined, compare it to tohers of that time frame. No Dan Rather/George Bush documents
 
Sarge said:
You know what I mean. Have it examined, compare it to tohers of that time frame. No Dan Rather/George Bush documents
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Or, I don't know, if the state or some other high-ranking state official came out and said it was legit? ;)
 
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In all reality, I think if there was anything amiss, it would have surfaced long before the now. Dirt, of this magnitude, would have been discovered, and used, by the Clinton Cosa Nostra in their contest for Prez.

However, I've lived long enough, that practically NOTHING surprises me anymore.

Hopefully, all future candidates will be required to present all necessary documents, to a neutral authority, under public jurisdiction, so it's never an issue again.
 
Ax said:
In all reality, I think if there was anything amiss, it would have surfaced long before the now. Dirt, of this magnitude, would have been discovered, and used, by the Clinton Cosa Nostra in their contest for Prez.

However, I've lived long enough, that practically NOTHING surprises me anymore.

Hopefully, all future candidates will be required to present all necessary documents, to a neutral authority, under public jurisdiction, so it's never an issue again.
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Understand that they could not get the info either. The only person on the planet that can let the information go is Obama

Like I said, we'll find out soon enough. Several states now are gearing up to require proof of citizenship to get on the ballot

All I know is if I'm the Republican nominee at a presidential debate, at some point I''m going to pull out my long form BIRTH CERTIFICATE on national TV and challenge Obama to do the same
 
Sarge said:
Understand that they could not get the info either. The only person on the planet that can let the information go is Obama
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You seem to doubt the Clinton Syndicate's ability to circumvent the law.

I do not.

But if they couldn't get it, then it is the most secure information on the planet.
 
Sarge said:
All I know is if I'm the Republican nominee at a presidential debate, at some point I''m going to pull out my long form BIRTH CERTIFICATE on national TV and challenge Obama to do the same
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That could backfire and change an election.
 
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