The All Things Terry Thread

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

I’m not absolving Terry from blame in this scenario. In fact, I’m at the point where the FO should simply call his bluff and tell him to go find a trade partner that will pay him what he wants.

That said, it’s hard for me to not believe his agent hasn’t filled his head with BS all offseason, leading to this emotional scenario we are in today.

Anyone ever sold a house? You love the place, put a lot of hard work and $ into it. The realtor tells you to list it for X, likely have multiple suitors, and you start hyping yourself up that it’s going to sell for X or more. You’ve seen other homes in the neighborhood sell for big $, and think yours is on par or better than theirs. Perspective buyers come and go, no offers. You finally get an offer and it’s for 20% less than the list price. You balk and counter. Buyer walks.

That feeling sucks. It happened to me pre-Covid before real estate went nuts again. You built this idea in your head of your homes value and even start spending the money in your head.

I didn’t need that extra money I was counting in my head. But I wanted it because I was led to believe that’s what it was worth and I’m getting ripped off taking a lot less. It’s psychological and emotional.

That’s where Terry’s at.

 

[skinsinparadise]

Terry seems like he was close to elite culture status prior to this negotiation process. He has been a leader for this team when they needed leaders and had few from front office to coaching to players. It is a shame that he is now tarnishing the good memories of fanbase. The fanbase that has not had many good memories in recent years by trying to strong arm the negotiations to a fault.

Yeah like I mentioned for me I can deal with Terry doesn't do team friendly deals or cares about who they can or can't keep based on what he wants. What I can't easily deal with he's the opposite extreme. He basically wanted an overpay last time. Wants an overpay this time. I know he couches it differently -- he wants the team to show him the love but the consequences of that approach is the same regardless of whatever his true motivation is.

If he was just average on the negotiation front -- where its lets shoot high, but if they aren't budging, lets get a fair deal for both sides and move on -- I know I am ALREADY under contract, so no need to hold out and get testy. I know a new extension doesn't start until am 31. I can say am different but there is clear evidence that drop offs indeed happen and 31 year olds don't get paid like they are 27 -- so lets roll with the punches, I'll be satisfied if I am paid more than Mike Evans or name that 31 plus year old. If Terry was like that I'd be good with that, too.

I get he doesn't roll with I really want to be here and I want to win so I am satisified with this or that like some players. But don't be the opposite extreme. Be the average player somewhere in the middle of those extremes.

 

[skinsinparadise]

I’m not absolving Terry from blame in this scenario. In fact, I’m at the point where the FO should simply call his bluff and tell him to go find a trade partner that will pay him what he wants.

That said, it’s hard for me to not believe his agent hasn’t filled his head with BS all offseason, leading to this emotional scenario we are in today.

Anyone ever sold a house? You love the place, put a lot of hard work and $ into it. The realtor tells you to list it for X, likely have multiple suitors, and you start hyping yourself up that it’s going to sell for X or more. You’ve seen other homes in the neighborhood sell for big $, and think yours is on par or better than theirs. Perspective buyers come and go, no offers. You finally get an offer and it’s for 20% less than the list price. You balk and counter. Buyer walks.

That feeling sucks. It happened to me pre-Covid before real estate went nuts again. You built this idea in your head of your homes value and even start spending the money in your head.

I didn’t need that extra money I was counting in my head. But I wanted it because I was led to believe that’s what it was worth and I’m getting ripped off taking a lot less. It’s psychological and emotional.

That’s where Terry’s at.

Seems like no doubt his agent is feeding this stuff to Terry -- hey todays 30 is yesterday 20, they should reward you for dealing with the Snyder era, you are as good as J. Chase, or whatever. And Terry is a big boy yet he's buying into all of it. So at this point I see both at fault. But I get those who want to put it squarely on Terry. But the real estate agent is a great analogy.

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

Seems like no doubt his agent is feeding this stuff to Terry -- hey today’s 30 is yesterday 20, they should reward you for dealing with the Snyder era, you are as good as J. Chase, or whatever. And Terry is a big boy yet he's buying into all of it. So at this point I see both at fault. But I get those who want to put it squarely on Terry. But the real estate agent is a great analogy.

Yeah, Terry is going to need to accept reality. He could save some face though by firing his agent and going with a proven commodity.

 

[Pokey]

Judging by fan polls on twitter, talk radio, etc -- heck even Keim referenced this point on a recent podcast, Terry has lost some PR ground with fans.

I suspect whenTerry signs, practices, plays some games and produces like he always does he will be right back in pretty much every fan's good graces. We've seen player's PR bounce back from far worse behavior than a protracted contract dispute.

 

[prodigy]

By shots at the team, I am referring to the FO, not respecting him, etc. And if you listened to the actual press conferences his tone brought this home. He's multiple times leaked leading into this how disappointed he is with the negotiation. The idea that he wants to be valued in the tier of certain WRS, and wants the team to show his love by paying him in that strata -- that's been said by multiple reporters covering the story, so I gather they got that from Terry's side.

Commanders' Terry McLaurin frustrated by lack of contract talks

Commanders receiver Terry McLaurin said he's frustrated and disappointed by the lack of progress toward a contract extension.

www.espn.com

...he said, "it takes two to tango."

"With how the market is today it conveys what guys of my caliber are deserving of. I feel I fit in that box because of how I've carried myself on and off the field. I don't want to feel like you have to beg for someone to see your worth and value.

"When you have that type of production, when you know how people value you and see you have told you to your face and then you see how it's progressing until this point, that's very disappointing. I'm just trying to get some clarity. Shoot it to me straight."

...He said they're not at a point of "no return" but later said, "I guess you can say there is a point of no return. I don't think it's at that now but ... time is kind of ticking."

...He then pointed out how he took a slant 36 yards for a touchdown in the NFC Championship Game against the Philadelphia Eagles.

"People making it seem like I need to start getting fitted for a walker and a cane," McLaurin said. "My game is going to mature in a great way."

..."You do want to feel valued and appreciated," McLaurin said. "With how the market is today, it conveys what guys of my caliber are deserving of. I feel I fit in that box because of how I've carried myself on and off the field.

..."When things were adverse when there was a lot of chaos going on, I held firm, I held strong," McLaurin said. "I held my head high and I was a leader.

Terry McLaurin Considering Holdout or Trade Request From Washington Commanders

Terry McLaurin and the Washington Commanders are set to embark on what should be a thrilling season. While they have

sports.yahoo.com

Terry McLaurin Considering Holdout or Trade Request From Washington Commanders​

According to Fox Sports’ Henry McKenna, McLaurin is keeping all of his options open when it comes to his future in Washington.

The two-time Pro Bowl receiver rightfully wants a new deal since he’s heading into a contract year. He’d prefer to get that contract from the Commanders so he can continue being Jayden Daniels’ top target. However, as McKenna tells it, McLaurin really just wants to get paid.

As a result, McLaurin is reportedly even willing to consider holding out from training camp in an effort to gain more leverage during contract negotiations. Otherwise, he may be prepared to demand a trade out of D.C.

okay, so it's the same thing i've listened to and read. I guess it's just a difference in our perception and interpretation of what is being said.

the olive branches I can offer is that I can agree that Terry saying nothing at all or keeping it very dry (like saying "just taking it day by day") would've been preferrable. not taking the high road does him no favors, especially when he does not have the leverage and public appeal won't do anything because AP isn't Snyder and he won't let public opinion sway what he thinks is in the best interest of the team. I can also agree his asking price is way out of whack and unrealistic. DK's deal was a bad deal and it's in bad faith to think that is a legitimate end point.

 

[Conn]

You can tell Terry’s agent stinks at his job because he was never able to flip the huge extension McLaurin was gifted by Snyder three years ago into other talented young clientele. He still isn’t signing elite rookies coming out of college, still isn’t able to convince their families he can do for them what he did for Terry. He must not be very compelling to sit across from.

 

[burgold]

You can tell Terry’s agent stinks at his job because he was never able to flip the huge extension McLaurin was gifted by Snyder three years ago into other talented young clientele. He still isn’t signing elite rookies coming out of college, still isn’t able to convince their families he can do for them what he did for Terry. He must not be very compelling to sit across from.

Also, with as much love as Terry got last year nationally and on a low burner the last few... Terry deserves better endorsement deals than Eastern Motors. His agent is not working the phones well enough.

 

[Chris]

When your crown jewel of endorsement deals is Eastern F’n Motors…

 

[Discobob]

Tell him t

Also, with as much love as Terry got last year nationally and on a low burner the last few... Terry deserves better endorsement deals than Eastern Motors. His agent is not working the phones well enough.

Can Harris pull favors to get Terry a better endorsement deal in exchange for a smaller contract? 😉

 

[burgold]

Tell him t


Can Harris pull favors to get Terry a better endorsement deal in exchange for a smaller contract? 😉

I think there are rules against that.

 

[Commander PK]

I think there are rules against that.

For certain lol

 

[Discobob]

I think there are rules against that.

Are they similar to the rules against faking an ankle injury to "hold in" to camp? 🤫

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

I suspect whenTerry signs, practices, plays some games and produces like he always does he will be right back in pretty much every fan's good graces. We've seen player's PR bounce back from far worse behavior than a protracted contract dispute.

On the contrary, every single time he doesn’t show up on the stat sheet - the groans will be very loud.

 

[Bigwig]

I’m not absolving Terry from blame in this scenario. In fact, I’m at the point where the FO should simply call his bluff and tell him to go find a trade partner that will pay him what he wants.

That said, it’s hard for me to not believe his agent hasn’t filled his head with BS all offseason, leading to this emotional scenario we are in today.

Anyone ever sold a house? You love the place, put a lot of hard work and $ into it. The realtor tells you to list it for X, likely have multiple suitors, and you start hyping yourself up that it’s going to sell for X or more. You’ve seen other homes in the neighborhood sell for big $, and think yours is on par or better than theirs. Perspective buyers come and go, no offers. You finally get an offer and it’s for 20% less than the list price. You balk and counter. Buyer walks.

That feeling sucks. It happened to me pre-Covid before real estate went nuts again. You built this idea in your head of your homes value and even start spending the money in your head.

I didn’t need that extra money I was counting in my head. But I wanted it because I was led to believe that’s what it was worth and I’m getting ripped off taking a lot less. It’s psychological and emotional.

That’s where Terry’s at.

I like how your analogy highlights the key point, that emotions can easily interfere in questions of worth/value.

In McClaurin’s case, I don’t see much incentive for the agent to deliberately inflate his expectations. Perhaps you meant that the agent badly misread the market? It’s also possible that McClaurin drove the strategy in which case the agent needs to have the courage to rein him in, as Chris suggested earlier.

 

[Bigwig]

McClaurin’s public statements were counterproductive, but I wouldn’t read so much into them. (And by the way, somewhere in there was a nod to the team’s point of view.)

In addition to the undeniable history of professionalism, he’s also an emotional, passionate guy. That’s a big part of his success as a player.

I do agree that, ideally, he wouldn’t have played the respect card. My best guess is that it’s uncomfortable psychologically to admit to himself that it’s actually about the money, precisely because he sees team-first as part of his identity.

 

[mistertim]

Seems like no doubt his agent is feeding this stuff to Terry -- hey todays 30 is yesterday 20, they should reward you for dealing with the Snyder era, you are as good as J. Chase, or whatever. And Terry is a big boy yet he's buying into all of it. So at this point I see both at fault. But I get those who want to put it squarely on Terry. But the real estate agent is a great analogy.

I think we should also remember that Terry already was rewarded for dealing with the Snyder era by being overpaid on his last contract.

 

[SkinsGuru]

its all about guaranteed numbers . . . so i say, 3 years total at 87 Million . . . fully guaranteed . . . and broken down like this:

year 1: 36 million
year 2: 30 million
year 3 - 21 million (BIG rookie QB contract may start this year)

 

[skinsinparadise]

okay, so it's the same thing i've listened to and read. I guess it's just a difference in our perception and interpretation of what is being said.

the olive branches I can offer is that I can agree that Terry saying nothing at all or keeping it very dry (like saying "just taking it day by day") would've been preferrable. not taking the high road does him no favors, especially when he does not have the leverage and public appeal won't do anything because AP isn't Snyder and he won't let public opinion sway what he thinks is in the best interest of the team. I can also agree his asking price is way out of whack and unrealistic. DK's deal was a bad deal and it's in bad faith to think that is a legitimate end point.

He somewhat doubled down on the same comments in a radio interview, same day as the press conference. Then now with the recent leak I posted that asking for a trade is on the table. Reporters (I gather from talking to his agent) saying Terry wants this team to value him the same as he values himself and among the elite WRs. Even with fans, reporters heard him tell them "his beef isn't with you all."

Look at all of that in contrast to Evans and Godwin actually hitting FA, taking lesser deals to come back, including Godwin turning down 30 million from NE. Both talking about how much they love being in Tampa and want to win there.

Then you got Terry saying various things about how the team doesn't value him, making fun of them considering his age a factor, dancing with asking to be traded, referencing in multiple ways he should be compensated in part for being a good solider. People can say for example Sutton saying he took less, may or may not be true -- but i loved him speaking about winning in Denver and helping them keep players and he didn't want to get in the way of that.

There is none of that from Terry. Terry is all about Terry in this context. And again, most players are, I don't blame them for it. But for Terry to say he's different. He's not that different when you factor how he approaches contracts. Evans is different. Godwin. Maybe Sutton. Josh Allen. L. David. On and on. Players who give and talk about the team in the context of their own money at stake.

Heck even Daron Payne, I liked his recent comments about how he's not worried about money, he's got all the money he'd ever need, he wants to win.

"I don't want to feel like you have to beg for someone to see your worth and value."

"People making it seem like I need to start getting fitted for a walker and a cane," McLaurin said. "My game is going to mature in a great way."

"how come it's not OK to say this may be a different case and based on what he's proven, showing no signs of deterioration."

"I guess you can say there is a point of no return. I don't think it's at that now but ... time is kind of ticking."

"you have told you to your face and then you see how it's progressing until this point, that's very disappointing. I'm just trying to get some clarity. Shoot it to me straight."

"When things were adverse when there was a lot of chaos going on, I held firm, I held strong," McLaurin said.

 

[Chris]

I think we should also remember that Terry already was rewarded for dealing with the Snyder era by being overpaid on his last contract.

We can remember that until the cows come home. I seriously doubt that Terry sees it that way.