Burner's Burning Questions: Free Agency, Mocks, Camps, OTAs, Roster Predictions, 2020

Him?
Trusted?

I trust him to continue to lie about the situation. And nothing else.
The most value he has to the team, is to not be on it.

Get what you can, and move on.
 
If he can be trusted in the lockerroom and be a professional on the field...he keeps your QB alive better than any other OT on the roster right now IMO. Much as I understand Ax's mindset and am more than half way to agreeing, I keep my best spare tire until I can replace it with a new one. Next move is Trent's. His only out is one used by Brown, Bell at al - become obnoxous to the point that the team has to release him. Not sure that is his MO/fits his personality. If hw goes down that road - can his arse fast.

That’s a huge “if,” Al.

Not only would the team be banking on him behaving, they‘d be banking on him being in some kind of football shape. He hasn’t played a down in almost two calendar years and is coming off a sketchy, at best, cancer scare. His whole woe-is-me thing wore pretty quickly and it looked like even the NFLPA wasn’t 100% in his corner or buying it. His attitude through this was about as poor as Brucie Boy‘s. It was always about money, period and he suckered a lot of people into thinking otherwise. There’s zero reason to expect his attitude is any better if he returns to the team.
 
We should have gotten a #4 for Dunbar, no way I trade Williams to Seattle in another fire sale that makes John Schneider rich.

Schneider is right there with Belichick and Reid in having a history of ripping other teams in trades.

If we will get a comp #3 pick for Williams in 2021 whytrade him for a #4 this year?
If anything the rule of thumb is the pick should be higher when you get the player right away to perform for you and impact your team.

If Williams was hurt and coming off surgery for a knee or ankle I could see teams hedging their bets properly with a discounted pick.

But Williams is set to come in and play close to a full schedule in 2020.

Maybe he is worth more again at the trade deadline when the Eagles, Saints, Packers, Seahawks or Chiefs suffer OL injuries and they feel one solid talent will allow them to stabilize the line and allow them to contend.

At that point a desperate team would give up more.
 
That’s a huge “if,” Al.

Not only would the team be banking on him behaving, they‘d be banking on him being in some kind of football shape. He hasn’t played a down in almost two calendar years and is coming off a sketchy, at best, cancer scare. His whole woe-is-me thing wore pretty quickly and it looked like even the NFLPA wasn’t 100% in his corner or buying it. His attitude through this was about as poor as Brucie Boy‘s. It was always about money, period and he suckered a lot of people into thinking otherwise. There’s zero reason to expect his attitude is any better if he returns to the team.
Here's the thing guys... when has TW ever been an 'on the field' problem? The answer is - never. There's a big difference between being cash-greedy, acting out with the front office, stomping your feet and demanding either a new contract or a trade - and creating problems in the locker room. It's possible TW is so self-absorbed and feeling so put upon he refuses to play, regardless of the consequences. But if we can't get decent value in a trade, we absolutely have to try and make it work for 2020. And there is no reason to think he's not going to play hard, if for no other reason than that he'd be absolutely destroying his chances at a new contract after this year.

I don't understand why some are ignoring what seems logical to me?

I get that many don't want to go this route, but the idea that he'll be some locker room cancer or will sandbag it on the field? I just don't understand why we would believe those kinds of issues are likely?
 
We should have gotten a #4 for Dunbar, no way I trade Williams to Seattle in another fire sale that makes John Schneider rich.

Schneider is right there with Belichick and Reid in having a history of ripping other teams in trades.

If we will get a comp #3 pick for Williams in 2021 whytrade him for a #4 this year?
If anything the rule of thumb is the pick should be higher when you get the player right away to perform for you and impact your team.

If Williams was hurt and coming off surgery for a knee or ankle I could see teams hedging their bets properly with a discounted pick.

But Williams is set to come in and play close to a full schedule in 2020.

Maybe he is worth more again at the trade deadline when the Eagles, Saints, Packers, Seahawks or Chiefs suffer OL injuries and they feel one solid talent will allow them to stabilize the line and allow them to contend.

At that point a desperate team would give up more.
I don't know if it's correct, but I believe the current understanding is the with the new CBA, we would get a max of a 5th round compensatory pick for Williams - not a 3rd. That could be wrong, but I've seen that from multiple solid sources.
 
Here's the thing guys... when has TW ever been an 'on the field' problem? The answer is - never. There's a big difference between being cash-greedy, acting out with the front office, stomping your feet and demanding either a new contract or a trade - and creating problems in the locker room. It's possible TW is so self-absorbed and feeling so put upon he refuses to play, regardless of the consequences. But if we can't get decent value in a trade, we absolutely have to try and make it work for 2020. And there is no reason to think he's not going to play hard, if for no other reason than that he'd be absolutely destroying his chances at a new contract after this year.

I don't understand why some are ignoring what seems logical to me?

I get that many don't want to go this route, but the idea that he'll be some locker room cancer or will sandbag it on the field? I just don't understand why we would believe those kinds of issues are likely?


In fairness brother, Trent Williams was an on field problem all of last season, simply by choosing to not be on it. He was a locker room problem by choosing to not be in it. He's been a team captain for a long time, and he decided he was not going to participate in an entire season. While he wasn't stepping aside to let a DE destroy our QB in the literal sense, he was kind of doing it by not playing.
 
Obviously - I can't stand the guy. He's a bad teammate for all the reasons you stated. However, he would immediately be the best OL we have on the roster the moment he steps on the field (layoff or not). Any suggestion otherwise is just sour grapes and anger on our part. He's never had any history of stirring up the lockerroom, slacking off on the field, etc... and as I keep saying, doing those things would hurt his chances for a new contract in 2021 even more difficult.
 
At this point, I'm thinking Ron knows full well what he does and doesn't want/expect regarding Trent. Given the movement we're seeing toward jettisoning players who don't want to be here, who don't seem to be "buying in" and on board with the whole culture change thing, I can't see Ron wanting Trent in this locker room. It might be different if this was a contending team WITH a solid culture established, and/or Trent were coming off a Pro Bowl season, didn't have injury concerns, hadn't been inactive for so long, had no history of drinking bong water, etc. But it's not.

I don't think Ron is going to tip his hand on that yet, though. I think he'll keep his powder dry as long as he can--through the draft, mini-camp, OTA's, however it plays out--hoping that one team, somewhere (Tampa?), will decide they simply can't head into the next season with whoever they have on their roster and offer at least a 3rd. It only takes one team to step forward. But even if ultimately none does, I don't see him ultimately letting Trent step back on the field as a Redskin.

If what we're hearing about the response he got from Trent to his overtures is true, I think that ship has sailed and he's simply keeping his options open as long as he can.
 
Could be Brother Om. I don't want TW in the locker room, and you are on solid ground as usual in terms of Rivera's mindset and the whole culture thing. I just don't want them trading a guy (who more than likely can still play LT at a high level) for a pittance. I will offer my first criticism of Rivera on that front. When you allow the narrative to get out there that Trent dissed you and therefore you don't want him in the locker room and are 'done with him', you've just totally destroyed his trade value. Teams will interpret that as meaning you won't play him and therefore will either 'take what you can get for him' or outright release him. The smart play right now would have been 'Trent is under contract and we look forward to him taking the field for us in 2020' whether you mean it or not.
 
Could be Brother Om. I don't want TW in the locker room, and you are on solid ground as usual in terms of Rivera's mindset and the whole culture thing. I just don't want them trading a guy (who more than likely can still play LT at a high level) for a pittance. I will offer my first criticism of Rivera on that front. When you allow the narrative to get out there that Trent dissed you and therefore you don't want him in the locker room and are 'done with him', you've just totally destroyed his trade value. Teams will interpret that as meaning you won't play him and therefore will either 'take what you can get for him' or outright release him. The smart play right now would have been 'Trent is under contract and we look forward to him taking the field for us in 2020' whether you mean it or not.
Honest question, because I haven't been paying close enough attention ... has this happened? If so, then I agree--Ron could have handled that better.
 
If you're asking if Rivera has SAID that - no - not to my knowledge. But the latest (that's been all over social media) is that, according to sources, Rivera has made a good faith effort to try to hear out TWs concerns and get to a better place and that Williams has 'blown him off'. As a result, so the media rumors go, Rivera 'is done with him'.

That's not on Rivera. Except that I feel, in light of those rumors, he should be making it very clear that if TW can't find a trade partner that offers reasonable compensation, he will be on the field in B&G in 2020.

The Redskins have just let the latest narrative marinate out there and have done nothing to counter the idea that they are done with Williams.
 
If you're asking if Rivera has SAID that - no - not to my knowledge. But the latest (that's been all over social media) is that, according to sources, Rivera has made a good faith effort to try to hear out TWs concerns and get to a better place and that Williams has 'blown him off'. As a result, so the media rumors go, Rivera 'is done with him'.

That's not on Rivera. Except that I feel, in light of those rumors, he should be making it very clear that if TW can't find a trade partner that offers reasonable compensation, he will be on the field in B&G in 2020.

The Redskins have just let the latest narrative marinate out there and have done nothing to counter the idea that they are done with Williams.
Gotcha. I can appreciate that take.

I guess to me it's still pretty refreshing that the Washington Redskins aren't doing their business in public. Sounds like no one really has any idea what Ron's plans are.

I think I kinda like that ... at least for now. Ask me again if we start 0-5, players are grousing on social media and we generally look like ass.
 
had no history of drinking bong water, etc. But it's not.

This might be the worst tasting thing ever...it's why I stopped using water, and would use ice.

Wait!

I may have divulged too much!

Trent Williams is a bum! Trent Williams is a bum! Trent Williams is a bum!
 
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Burner’s Burning Questions: Free Agency, Mocks, Camps, OTAs, Roster Predictions, 2020​

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The 2020 NFL draft is ten days away – a week from Thursday. We’re getting closer in this process and now we have a few ideas about what the team needs at this juncture. The process of team building never ends and BBQ is about to take a look at what could happen in the coming days.

Today, we bring you the latest mock of the 2020 offseason. The mocks will vary throughout the offseason and we will add/subtract players to/from the list as any relevant information becomes available. The Redskins currently have picks in rounds one, three, four, five, and seven. They also have a compensatory pick in the fourth round and an extra seventh round pick via a trade.

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We will feature two mocks this week and produce three mocks next week. We will also post abbreviated mocks prior to day two and day three of the draft.

Without any further delays, let’s take our latest look at the 2020 draft with this mock.

Upcoming Dates
- Days until the virus passes: Hopefully, very soon
- Days until the 2020 NFL Draft: 10
- Days until the Redskins season opener: 153

Pre-Draft: Trade
The Redskins trade Trent Williams for a fourth round selection.

Round One: Chase Young, Edge/DE, Ohio St. – 6’5, 265
Arguably the best overall player in the draft is there for the taking and the Redskins turn in the (virtual) card. Young is the next great pass rusher in a program that has produced some incredible talent at the edge position in recent years. The impact would be immediate. A quarterback’s nightmare. Excellent run defender. Perfectly tailored for a 4-3 defense.
Other Possible Picks:
Andrew Thomas, OT, Georgia
Jerry Jeudy, WR, Alabama
Isaiah Simmons, ILB, Clemson
Tristan Wirfs, OT, Iowa
Jeffrey Okudah, CB, Ohio St.
Jedrick Wills, OT, Alabama

Round Two: Possible Prospects
The Redskins lack a second round selection, but here is a list of players who could be targeted if they can acquire a pick in this round.
Noah Igbinoghene, CB, Auburn
Tee Higgins, WR, Clemson
A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson
Justin Jefferson, WR, Louisiana St.
Damon Arnette, CB, Ohio St.
Lucas Niang, OT, Texas Christian
Trevon Diggs, CB, Alabama
Cameron Dantzler, CB, Mississippi St.

Round Three: Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame – 6’6”, 260
Cole Kmet has been rising up draft boards in recent months and even more so after a solid showing at the Combine. Ideal size for an NFL tight end. Excellent pass catcher who will produce additional yardage after a reception. His blocking skills need a bit of work. Kmet will need time to develop as an all-around player, but his football IQ is high and the potential is unlimited.

Other Possible Picks:
Isaiah Wilson, OT, Georgia
Jeremy Chinn, FS, Southern Illinois
Austin Jackson, OT, Southern California
Adam Trautman, TE, Dayton
Prince Tega Wanogho, OT, Auburn
Brycen Hopkins, TE, Purdue
Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah

Round Four: Saahdiq Charles, OT, Louisiana St. – 6’4”, 320
Saahdiq Charles has been busy this offseason. He has added twenty pounds of bulk and muscle to his frame. The biggest knock on Charles was his lack of strength, but his offseason regimen has scouts re-assessing that claim now. He is mobile and while some of his techniques need minor adjustments, this Cajun County Bayou Bengal is definitely ready for life at the next level. Could become a starter by mid-season, maybe sooner.
Other Possible Picks:
K.J. Hill, WR, Ohio St.
Matthew Peart, OT, Connecticut
Chase Claypool, WR, Notre Dame
Antonio Gibson, RB/WR/KR, Memphis
K'Von Wallace, SS/FS, Clemson
Lamar Jackson, CB, Nebraska

Round Four: Michael Pittman, WR, Southern Cal – 6’4”, 220
The son of former NFL running back by the same name, Pittman is a physically strong receiver and imposes his will on defensive backs from the X position. Superb blocker at all levels. Not the fastest receiver, but tends to win contested passes and his size makes for the perfect “jump ball” situations. Solid red zone target. Ability to shine on special teams duties.

Round Four, Comp Pick: Ben Bartch, OT, St. John – 6’6”, 310
Who? Ben Bartch. From where? St. John – in Minneapolis. He’s good and is highly underrated. Bartch will need some time to learn the nuances of being a tackle in the NFL, but he has all of the intangibles to succeed. He wasn’t highly recruited out of high school (in Oregon) and started out as a tight end. Could be a legitimate starter at tackle by mid season or sooner. Quick learner and is still growing into his frame. In fact, he will likely add another ten pounds or so of muscle to his frame.

Round Five: Solomon Kindley, OG, Georgia – 6’4”, 335
Highly underrated guard – the tackle next to him garners more attention (Andrew Thomas), but Kindley is much better than advertised. Superb athleticism in the ground attack and a better than average pass protector, but the latter could use some improvement. A reduction of his weight by ten pounds while maintaining muscle mass could help.
Other Possible Picks:
Jacob Breeland, TE, Oregon
Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
Colby Parkinson, TE, Stanford
Antonio Gandy-Golden, WR, Liberty
Albert Okwuegbunam, TE, Missouri
Thad Moss, TE, LSU

Round Six: Possible Prospects
The Redskins lack a sixth round selection, but here is a list of players who could be targeted if they can acquire a pick in this round.
Mitchell Wilcox, TE, South Florida
Charlie Heck, OT, North Carolina
Tanner Muse, FS/ILB/Hybrid, Clemson
Terence Steele, OT, Texas Tech
Joe Reed, WR, Virginia
Cheyenne O'Grady, TE, Arkansas
Cole Van Lanen, OT, Wisconsin

Round Seven: Myles Dorn, FS/SS, North Carolina – 6’2”, 205
Myles Dorn is a three year starter for the Tar Heels and that could serve him well at the next level. Prototypical size for a free safety, but a bit slender for a box player. He plays well closer to the line, but has varying degrees of success as a deep safety. Good speed, but can take poor angles further away from the line. Would need to make the team as a special teams player. Practice squad candidate.
Other Possible Picks:
Alex Taylor, OT, South Carolina St.
James Proche, WR, SMU
Jared Pinkney, TE, Vanderbilt
Trey Adams, OT, Washington
Reggie Floyd, FS, Virginia Tech
Devin Asiasi, TE, UCLA
Tyre Phillips, OT/OG, Mississippi St.

Round Seven: Steven Montez, QB, Colorado – 6’5”, 235
Montez is not the most polished quarterback in this year’s class, but he does have plenty of upside. With only two healthy quarterbacks on the roster, the Redskins add the late round prospect. Montez can make plays after leaving the pressure of a collapsed pocket. He relies a bit too much on his size and limited skillsets instead of trusting the play as it is designed. Better poise in the pocket needs to be learned. Strong arm. Definitely a project, but potentially can be a long term backup.

Undrafted Free Agent Prospects
This list will continue to evolve and change in the coming weeks as the Redskins meet with many players who will not be drafted.

Gage Cervenka, OG, Clemson
Rico Dowdle, RB, South Carolina
Mohamed Barry, ILB, Nebraska
Jeremiah Dinson, FS, Auburn
Shea Patterson, QB, Michigan
Naquan Jones, DT, Michigan St.
John Penisini, DT, Utah
Robert Hunt, OG, Louisiana-Lafayette
John Hightower, WR, Boise St.
Riley Neal, QB, Vanderbilt
Cameron Clark, OT, North Carolina-Charlotte
Keith Washington, CB, West Virginia
Charlie Taumoepeau, TE, Portland St.
Kelly Bryant, QB, Missouri
Jordan Glasgow, ILB/SS, Michigan
Lawrence Cager, WR, Georgia
Jabril Cox, ILB, North Dakota St.

Additional Notes
The fourth round comp pick comes from the deal that sent Jamison Crowder to the Jets. All other possible comp picks have been canceled out.

Free agency could continue to change some of the targets that we see in current mocks. For now, we can only speculate based on current team needs and pertinent information.

There is your latest mock of the 2020 offseason. We will have another mock on Friday. The volume of mocks will increase during the week of the draft.
 
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We should have gotten a #4 for Dunbar, no way I trade Williams to Seattle in another fire sale that makes John Schneider rich.

Schneider is right there with Belichick and Reid in having a history of ripping other teams in trades.

If we will get a comp #3 pick for Williams in 2021 whytrade him for a #4 this year?
If anything the rule of thumb is the pick should be higher when you get the player right away to perform for you and impact your team.

If Williams was hurt and coming off surgery for a knee or ankle I could see teams hedging their bets properly with a discounted pick.

But Williams is set to come in and play close to a full schedule in 2020.

Maybe he is worth more again at the trade deadline when the Eagles, Saints, Packers, Seahawks or Chiefs suffer OL injuries and they feel one solid talent will allow them to stabilize the line and allow them to contend.

At that point a desperate team would give up more.

The Redskins will not get any compensation for Big Trent if he plays this season and walks next offseason. None whatsoever.

The Redskins will have $140M in salary cap space next offseason and that figure could be somewhat conservative. They will be big spenders in 2021 FA and will have no comp picks in 2022.
 
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