Kirk Cousins Development Tracker

[MattFancy]

agree too, but having almost 3 times the sacks might play into that equation just as easily.

If Griff could have substantially fewer sacks then I think we'd have something going-on in a positive way. It would also indicate that he's playing at the level of a NFL QB, think we'd all be happy with that despite what camp we're currently in.

And we may never know that. From the looks of it, the OL has played pretty well this year. Now is that because of Cousins or because of the improvements in the offseason? No idea.

 

[TomE]

I do know that no matter which O line guys were in, I've never seen Kirk get hammered as severely as Griff.

 

[MikeSr619]

Griffin is trying to wait and see if he can spot something while Kirk is just scanning quickly and trying to force it.

that is what I see at least.

 

[fansince62]

It may be one of those things that 'seems to be so' but the stats don't bear it out - but our 3rd down conversion rate and the ability to keep drives going (as well as TOP) *seems* greatly improved with Cousins under center. Don't know if the numbers reflect it or not.


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I know my answer: Cousins is part of it (with a cost of course), but the main reason is we finally hired a GM who stocked the o-line with quality players who actually perform. certainly...there has been an order of magnitude improvement in pass pro. griffin had his issues, major ones no doubt, but anyone who watched those games...when honest.....knows that turn-styler et al were a joke when it came to pass pro. the o-line is so much better manned and coached this year it aint even funny!

 

[fansince62]

Griffin is trying to wait and see if he can spot something while Kirk is just scanning quickly and trying to force it.

that is what I see at least.

I think you're spot on. Cousins has some fundamentals down much better than Griffin. but that is separate from whether Cousins is the full package as a QB.

 

[fansince62]

I didn't tell you not to say it. Stop responding like someone is moderating you. I think it's sad to mock players on a team one purports to love, but again if it makes you happy, knock yourself out.


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I don't love this team. I'm not even sure what that equates to. What is it that one is loving here? a team from 25 years ago? or a team that has become somewhat of a replaceable part in a big business NFL? I have rooted for them since elementary school days - more a burgundy and gold habit than anything else. expanding on the theme (which has been held on this board before - and it is an interesting one)....what identity is being loved? even in the Gibbs days...the core players were there for a while. now? with cap? it's all short-fused, evanescent grabs at glory that evaporate quickly. I like the football. that said, the price of parity, IMO, is that the teams themselves have become less identifiable - a quickly changing cast of characters...the better players among whom play the system for money AND championships (see Revis).

I expect to see intelligent, professional, successful football from the home team.

Praise for a job well done....critical eye for the failings. that's life!

 

[MikeSr619]

Can we stop?

 

[Elephant]

brotha El: but that's not the message being sent by Gruden et al. Gruden has specifically stated that Cousins does not carry the team to wins. his gameplans clearly demonstrate that he is not willing to place a heavy responsibility on Cousins.

I think a better way to put it is that Cousins is a better game manager....and will even be better than his injury prone, indecisive peer once he, too, wins a division championship!

Booooooring.

 

[Elephant]

I think you're spot on. Cousins has some fundamentals down much better than Griffin. but that is separate from whether Cousins is the full package as a QB.

Who said Cousins was the full package?

 

[fansince62]

I certainly didn't!

but that raises interesting questions on what the measuring rod should actually be. as we all know....opinions vary!

 

[fansince62]

Booooooring.

pick up a book or newspaper! take some pictures! spend more time with your kid and less on-line!

valuable moments you'll never retrieve son! I'm tearing up. gimme a moment. ok. recovered from the trauma.

 

[Henry]

Booooooring.

pick up a book or newspaper! take some pictures! spend more time with your kid and less on-line!

valuable moments you'll never retrieve son! I'm tearing up. gimme a moment. ok. recovered from the trauma.

Guys, stop it.

 

[MattFancy]

Griffin is trying to wait and see if he can spot something while Kirk is just scanning quickly and trying to force it.

that is what I see at least.

Griffin is too indecisive and Kirk is too decisive. Griffin doesn't trust what he sees and Kirk just wings it. Basically what it boils down to. Which is better or worse? No clue, but neither are good traits.

 

[SNF]

Griffin is too indecisive and Kirk is too decisive. Griffin doesn't trust what he sees and Kirk just wings it. Basically what it boils down to. Which is better or worse? No clue, but neither are good traits.

At this point in Cousins' "development", he's on a par with Griffin's years 2 and 3. Considering he's the one who played this style of offense in college, and is/was more pro ready, I'd have to say that Cousins' results are worse compared with the guy who's put up similar results while "not having a clue out there".

 

[MikeSr619]

It's crazy that we struck out twice in one draft with 2 quarterbacks.

 

[Boone]

Griffin is too indecisive and Kirk is too decisive. Griffin doesn't trust what he sees and Kirk just wings it. Basically what it boils down to. Which is better or worse? No clue, but neither are good traits.

I actually think he does the opposite of 'winging it' - he is over- thinking plays instead of just reacting to what's there. I don't know whether he's anxious, too focused on 'not screwing up' or what. But he is clearly over- thinking it instead of just trusting himself and his receivers and delivering the ball on time.

There was some discussion on 980 this week that there are also times where he might need to be more patient and let the play develop so WRs have time to break open instead of being on a mental clock where he is getting rid of the ball in 1-2-3 seconds. That's great for avoiding sacks but there are times where he's not letting the play develop.

The older I get the more I believe that the best QBs are the ones with great instincts who, regardless of the players around them, the coaching staff, or the scheme just seem to know by instinct what to do and go do it. I don't see either of our guys as that kind of QB.


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[Om]

It's crazy that we struck out twice in one draft with 2 quarterbacks.

One shooting star and one likely journeyman. You could make the argument that getting what is looking more and more like a solid career backup in the 4th round isn't such a bad thing, but it would be hard to muster much passion for it.

We'll get one. Eventually.

Or we could be the new Cubs.

 

[Chris]

I actually think he does the opposite of 'winging it' - he is over- thinking plays instead of just reacting to what's there. I don't know whether he's anxious, too focused on 'not screwing up' or what. But he is clearly over- thinking it instead of just trusting himself and his receivers and delivering the ball on time.

There was some discussion on 980 this week that there are also times where he might need to be more patient and let the play develop so WRs have time to break open instead of being on a mental clock where he is getting rid of the ball in 1-2-3 seconds. That's great for avoiding sacks but there are times where he's not letting the play develop.

The older I get the more I believe that the best QBs are the ones with great instincts who, regardless of the players around them, the coaching staff, or the scheme just seem to know by instinct what to do and go do it. I don't see either of our guys as that kind of QB.


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This is the most accurate summation that I've seen here.

Great qb's are born not made.

 

[MattFancy]

I actually think he does the opposite of 'winging it' - he is over- thinking plays instead of just reacting to what's there. I don't know whether he's anxious, too focused on 'not screwing up' or what. But he is clearly over- thinking it instead of just trusting himself and his receivers and delivering the ball on time.

There was some discussion on 980 this week that there are also times where he might need to be more patient and let the play develop so WRs have time to break open instead of being on a mental clock where he is getting rid of the ball in 1-2-3 seconds. That's great for avoiding sacks but there are times where he's not letting the play develop.

The older I get the more I believe that the best QBs are the ones with great instincts who, regardless of the players around them, the coaching staff, or the scheme just seem to know by instinct what to do and go do it. I don't see either of our guys as that kind of QB.


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I think both Griffin and Cousins fall into the trap of over-thinking. I blame the coaching staff for that.

Both QBs seem to be so worried about not making a mistake that they panic back there. Griffin doesn't want to throw INTs and tries to make something out of nothing. So he holds the ball too long and takes sacks. Cousins hears that criticism of Griffin and tries to get rid of the ball quickly, which he does, but sometimes he gets rid of it too quickly and makes wrong reads or doesn't let WRs get open. It's a never ending cycle.

 

[MikeSr619]

I think both Griffin and Cousins fall into the trap of over-thinking. I blame the coaching staff for that.

Both QBs seem to be so worried about not making a mistake that they panic back there. Griffin doesn't want to throw INTs and tries to make something out of nothing. So he holds the ball too long and takes sacks. Cousins hears that criticism of Griffin and tries to get rid of the ball quickly, which he does, but sometimes he gets rid of it too quickly and makes wrong reads or doesn't let WRs get open. It's a never ending cycle.

This. All day, this.