The Denver Post says Shanahan Appears Headed to Redskins

[InsaneBoost]

Yeah the numbers seem a little big to me, but we'll find out sooner or later.

 

[China]

Thing is ... given what this franchise has been through since 1992, if the question is whether I'd rather our next coach be

1) some young hotshot coordinator who may turn out to be the next Joe Gibbs 1.0 or, statistically far more likely, the next Rick Venturi (exactly), or

2) Mike Shanahan, who has already shown he can not only coach in the NFL, but coach a back-to-back Super Bowl champion ...

Sorry. To me the choice could not be more clear.

It's not about loving Mike Shanahan, it's about restoring basic professionalism to a franchise that has wandered so far off the path it's in danger of disappearing over the horizon.

The choice between getting a hotshot coordinator and restoring basic professionalism are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I want it all.

 

[Om]

The choice between getting a hotshot coordinator and restoring basic professionalism are not necessarily mutually exclusive. I want it all.

Well, I'd like to have a Lamborghini in my driveway and Swedish blond tripletts in my bachelor pad bed, AND $14.5 million in the bank, but sometimes a man has to choose.

Just sayin'.

 

[Hog Fever]

Well, I'd like to have a Lamborghini in my driveway and Swedish blond tripletts in my bachelor pad bed, AND $14.5 million in the bank, but sometimes a man has to choose.

Just sayin'.

Is that you Tiger?!

 

[Om]

Is that you Tiger?!

I have no idea what you mean.

- Eldrick

 

[Henry]

Coaches who have TAKEN two teams to Super Bowls ...

Bill Parcells
Dick Vermeil
Mike Holmgren

None have won it to my knowledge ... I'm old though, so I may have forgotten.

And Don Shula. Though he didn't win with both either.

Both Shula and Vermeil won the SB with their second team. So I think it is possible.

That said, I wouldn't put Shanahan in their class.

Thing is ... given what this franchise has been through since 1992, if the question is whether I'd rather our next coach be

1) some young hotshot coordinator who may turn out to be the next Joe Gibbs 1.0 or, statistically far more likely, the next Rick Venturi (exactly), or

2) Mike Shanahan, who has already shown he can not only coach in the NFL, but coach a back-to-back Super Bowl champion ...

Sorry. To me the choice could not be more clear.

It's not about loving Mike Shanahan, it's about restoring basic professionalism to a franchise that has wandered so far off the path it's in danger of disappearing over the horizon.

Unfortunately, with this owner I don't think we will ever succeed going the option 1 route. Snyder is going to steamroll over anyone who doesn't have established NFL credentials. The best we may be able to hope for is a Schottenheimer/Gibbs II/Shanahan-type, who will be better than sucky for 5 years or so, but not represent the dawn of a 10+ year era of Redskin greatness.

 

[Om]

And Don Shula. Though he didn't win with both either.

Both Shula and Vermeil won the SB with their second team. So I think it is possible.

That said, I wouldn't put Shanahan in their class.

Damn, forgot Shula. I'm getting old. :kick_can:

Unfortunately, with this owner I don't think we will ever succeed going the option 1 route. Snyder is going to steamroll over anyone who doesn't have established NFL credentials. The best we may be able to hope for is a Schottenheimer/Gibbs II/Shanahan-type, who will be better than sucky for 5 years or so, but not represent the dawn of a 10+ year era of Redskin greatness.

You may be right ... certainly a valid concern given Snyder's first 10 years. The hope here is that his solemn recitation about having "learned patience" from Joe Gibbs was not total lip service, and that with time, maturity and maybe (ohpleaseohpleaseohplease) a taste of success with a guy like Shanahan, he'll come to realize that winning is actually a better buzz than pretending to be a "football guy."

 

[Hog Fever]

Over the years I have not been one of Dan’s biggest supporters. Ok, that’s a bit of an understatement. I can’t complain about his current direction though. It’s exactly what I’ve been asking for.

Allen as a GM is a good move. Shanahan as a head coach will be a good move. There is going to be a lot of drama that plays out in this off-season but as long as Dan lets his guys take care of business the right way I’m not going to be able to find much fault with him. The issues with the “game day experience” he’ll continue to have to own, but winning will cure just about all of that too.

The dream of finding “The Next Big Guy” as a head coach will have to wait a while I think. The organization is simply not in place to support a guy like that. I hope it will be at some point, but it isn’t there right now. As I’ve said before, I always liked the IDEA of a Jim Zorn type guy, but maybe not Jim Zorn, if that makes any sense.

 

[China]

And Don Shula. Though he didn't win with both either.

Both Shula and Vermeil won the SB with their second team. So I think it is possible.

That said, I wouldn't put Shanahan in their class.



Unfortunately, with this owner I don't think we will ever succeed going the option 1 route. Snyder is going to steamroll over anyone who doesn't have established NFL credentials. The best we may be able to hope for is a Schottenheimer/Gibbs II/Shanahan-type, who will be better than sucky for 5 years or so, but not represent the dawn of a 10+ year era of Redskin greatness.

It seems to me that with Shula and Vermeil there was still a burning desire to win a Superbowl with their second team because they hadn't won it all yet. With coaches that have already won it all, I think the desire is not as strong.

If Snyder is going to steamroll anyone without established credentials, what did we get Allen for? He's supposed to be the shield. The Schottenheimer/Gibbs II/Shanahan type will keep the masses happy with 10-6 seasons, but why aim low?

Om, I don't think we should have to choose. That's what Danny has done to this fan base... he's lowered expectations to the point that even die hard fans will be satisfied with mediocrity. I'm not there yet. Sorry that you are.

 

[Henry]

If Snyder is going to steamroll anyone without established credentials, what did we get Allen for? He's supposed to be the shield.

Accord to Mortensen, we got Allen to get Shanahan.

The Schottenheimer/Gibbs II/Shanahan type will keep the masses happy with 10-6 seasons, but why aim low?

I'm not saying I LIKE our situation. Just stating what it is.

 

[Om]

Om, I don't think we should have to choose. That's what Danny has done to this fan base... he's lowered expectations to the point that even die hard fans will be satisfied with mediocrity. I'm not there yet. Sorry that you are.

Straw man alert!

No one's talking about being "satisfied with mediocrity," brother. I'm just not going to let my frustrations over the past 17 years color my perception to the point I can't allow for the possibility of change.

 

[Boone]

I think you guys are over-analyzing it.

We universally called for Vinny Cerrato's resignation.
We got Vinny Cerrato's resignation.
We universally called for an experienced GM.
We got an experienced GM.
We are almost universally calling for an experienced, seasoned, capable head coach.
We're about to get an experienced, seasoned, capable head coach.

We can obsess about whether things have 'really changed' - let me solve the mystery for you. No - they haven't changed. Not yet. But I believe they will. Because Snyder is willingly bringing in guys that aren't going to be puppets, and won't tolerate non-football people (even an owner) directing traffic. I believe that.

So color me pretty satisfied with the past 2 weeks of shifting direction

 

[The Burgundy Ghost]

Firing Vinny and bringing in Allen was a move I wasn't sure Snyder would EVER do. The fact that he made the move and is now attempting to bring in a guy like Shanahan and backing out of football ops. is a really good sign.

Now are we there yet?
Are we close to the ideal FO and football operations that many of us here have been looking for for a decade plus?
No.
We're on a ground floor of hopefully the next era of the Washington Redskins.

Whether it will succeed and we'll see a 4th Lombardi in the next decade, I have no clue. But at least the Redskins are trying to put together a front office and a coaching staff that seems to fit the successful template of other franchises.

Also, Mr. Snyder seems willing to finally let the people he hired do their jobs to make this team better and that my friends is a miracle.

 

[Jimbo]

I think you guys are over-analyzing it.

We universally called for Vinny Cerrato's resignation.
We got Vinny Cerrato's resignation.
We universally called for an experienced GM.
We got an experienced GM.
We are almost universally calling for an experienced, seasoned, capable head coach.
We're about to get an experienced, seasoned, capable head coach.

We can obsess about whether things have 'really changed' - let me solve the mystery for you. No - they haven't changed. Not yet. But I believe they will. Because Snyder is willingly bringing in guys that aren't going to be puppets, and won't tolerate non-football people (even an owner) directing traffic. I believe that.

So color me pretty satisfied with the past 2 weeks of shifting direction

Well said John!

After what we've been through the last few years, I'm certainly willing to go on a little faith here.

 

[China]

I'm just not going to let my frustrations over the past 17 years color my perception to the point I can't allow for the possibility of change.

I guess I misread you, because it seems that that's just what you're doing. You're not allowing for the possibility that the Danny can change and go with someone non-established without steamrolling him.

I see in looking at your previous post that you are indeed holding out hope for the Danny, so my error. I guess I'm more where Henry is... I'll believe in Danny when the evidence of meddling goes away and the team appears to have a sound front office which shows up in part with winning non-dysfunctional teams on the field.

I'm sure we all want that.

 

[Om]

I guess I misread you, because it seems that that's just what you're doing. You're not allowing for the possibility that the Danny can change and go with someone non-established without steamrolling him.

I'll admit be being curious about what post/posts of mine gave you that impression, brother, but ...

I see in looking at your previous post that you are indeed holding out hope for the Danny, so my error. I guess I'm more where Henry is... I'll believe in Danny when the evidence of meddling goes away and the team appears to have a sound front office which shows up in part with winning non-dysfunctional teams on the field.

I'm sure we all want that.

... since it looks like we're on the same page, I'll just chalk it up to being out of practice and needing to tighten up my verbage. Plus it's Christmas.

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Hey Dan, listen up. Despite everything, you STILL have some long-term fans out here willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But the well isn't bottomless. Hire good people and let them do their jobs, brother. Do it now.

 

[China]

... since it looks like we're on the same page, I'll just chalk it up to being out of practice and needing to tighten up my verbage. Plus it's Christmas.

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I'm sure it's as much my reading comprehension to blame.

Merry Christmas! A victory over Dallas would be a nice gift.

 

[Henry]

You're not allowing for the possibility that the Danny can change and go with someone non-established without steamrolling him.

Actually that was me.

But like you, I'll be willing to believe it ... when I see it.

 

[servumtuum]

I am a skeptic by nature-and years of practical experience-however, I must admit the hiring of Allen and the now apparently likely hiring of Shanny does give me reason to think that things may indeed be changing in Redskinland.

At the very least I'm going to take a view similar to Henry's in that I'll take a wait-and-see perspective, only this time fortified with the evidence that the foundation seems to be in better shape than what has been the norm for the past decade.