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Yep. The danny better get this right, because if Shanny goes soemwhere else the pickin's are slim for big name coaches. Although I would trust Allen to pick a good O-Coordinator for coach if need beI'll take him over Gruden in a milisecond, because I know Holgrem and Cowher are out of the question for the most part.
1999: 6-10im not a fan of shanny..
what did he do without elway?
and we DONT have elway here..
More importantly, Davis had a line that blocked well enough for him to run for 2,000 yards.Well, having Terrell Davis run for 2,000 yards and Shannon Sharpe collect 90 catches helped a lot out in Denver
Agreed. I would rather someone completely new. A hungry coordinator who wants to prove himself as a head coach but failing that, I think Shanahan is the best of the retreads. More importantly, I think what he did in Denver best fits with the personnel we already have here so will require less of a rebuild job.He wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd take a good-not-great coach and a GM over Snyder's latest experiment-du-jour. And I'd probably take him over Gruden.
Agreed. I would rather someone completely new. A hungry coordinator who wants to prove himself as a head coach but failing that, I think Shanahan is the best of the retreads. More importantly, I think what he did in Denver best fits with the personnel we already have here so will require less of a rebuild job.
Indeed. Seriously all over.We're all over the map here
Very true. A franchise QB makes a huge difference. Just look at Norv these days. He is suddenly a winning machine in his third go around at SD and the big difference I can see is that he has a franchise QB to work with. Of course, he also has an All Pro TE and an All World RB. Much like he had in Dallas when he was the Coordinator everyone feared.First of all, getting someone 'hungry and new' brings along with it the possibility of total failure. Say we bring in Russ Grimm. Yeah - there would be a certain appeal to that. But there's also the possibility he'd be in way over his head and be just as erratic and ineffective as Jim Zorn has been. Finding a successful head coach in the NFL is a lot like finding a franchise QB. You're as liable to stumble onto one as deliberately find one. Just look at how many 'can't lose' prospects from dominant college football programs have utterly failed as NFL head coaches. And how many 'coordinators of the year' from NFL teams get head coaching gigs, but can't keep them. Lets be serious - no one is going to oppose 'finding the next Joe Gibbs' - the problem is, you've got to find him You all prepared to go through 2 or 3 more Jim Zorns before we strike gold? I don't think so.
All those things are true, Boone. And my problem with Shanahan is not the coaching part. It is the talent evaluation part. Someone else built the team he won two Super Bowls with, most of it anyway. He doesn't see it that way though and will want to be the guy as far as picking the talent is concerned. Denver's record in Shanahan's last 3 years is the result of him having control over personnel. He picked Plummer to be Elway's replacement and didn't get it done with him. Then he picked Cutler to take over and Cutler showed zero improvement in his years with Denver.I think characterizing Shanahan as a 'retread' is off base frankly. As someone astutely pointed out, there were a lot of years of John Elway - but it took Shanahan to get them a Super Bowl win with him. The guy knows how to coach. A lot of the negatives associated with Shanahan rise from the fact that Denver dumped him. But we all know, sometimes coaches (no matter how good) just run their course with a franchise. I think that was the case with Denver. And I suspect a few years removed from being 'the guy' for an NFL team results in its own kind of hunger. If Shanahan does get the gig, he's going to have something to prove and his reputation will be on the line. In some ways, he'd have more pressure on him than a rookie NFL coach - because the last job he had, he lost, and now has to show that was a mistake. The difference is, unlike our current head coach, a guy like Shanahan knows all about those kinds of pressures and can handle them.
This is incredibly valid and probably a bigger point then most of us know. By all reports, Spags turned us down to go back to being a DC in NY and then took the Rams job where there were all sorts of issues including a seriously ugly ownership question. How bad are the Skins really for a guy to turn us down but take the Rams job?Finally - we're all missing one point. There may be better coaches than Shanahan out there - a few anyway. But they don't want to come to DC, and for good reason. Count me as one who believes we'd be extremely fortunate to get a coach of Shanahan's ability and experience, given who and where the Redskins are, and our current ownership.
Ryan Leaf was QB of the Chargers for a grand total of one season during that span. For eight of those ten years the Chargers had Drew Brees of Philip Rivers under center. The Chargers have been one of the most talented teams in the NFL over the past five years.winning the AFC West isnt that impressive IMO. and to only win once when the divisions has had the names like Ryan Leaf, Trent "Concussion" Green, and Al Davis in it doesnt really impress me at all.
All coaches look smarter when they have a HOF QB at their disposal, but not all coaches win Superbowls with them. Holmgren only won one SB with Favre. Shula never won one with Marino. Dungy only won one with Manning. Reid has never won one with McNabb. I think you sell a coach short when you suggest it's easy to win back-to-back superbowls under any circumstance.Winning with Elway, Sharpe, Davis, Smith and co was pretty easy. John was a GREAT QB and was on a mission that first year to get his title. and then after that it just happened all over. Shan did coach them and Im sure he did a good job but as soon as Ol Horsey left he didnt really do much.
I am increasingly convinced that Joe Gibbs didn't have the authority during his 2nd gig that many of us assumed he did. I'm not saying he wasn't pulling the trigger to a large extent (his preference for Brunell and how emphatically he made that choice are an example). But in terms of shopping for groceries, I'm not sure Gibbs was calling those shots. I hope I am right in my belief that we are only seeing the beginning of the changes that are coming. Bruce Allen wouldn't be here if he wasn't going to have nearly total control of things - I believe that. And his rep is one of pulling in and surrounding himself with very talented individuals. I think that if the Shanahan rumors are true, that's just the beginning of that process. I don't think we'll be able to judge the sum-total impact of what's going on until we see how the org is restructured.
The NFC East was a joke before Parcells, Gibbs and Coughlin showed up. An absolute joke. My point was not that the AFC West was a great division. Just that let's not pretend our terrible record over the last decade was due to the fact that we had to play a lot of tough teams ourselves.you're kidding here, right? You think the AFC West was stronger then then NFC East? Really? Because living out here in SD I dont even think you could get a Chargers fan to agree with that.
Which is why Shanahan got fired. The guy isn't a top-notch coach.8-8 wins the AFC West.
8-8 gets you fourth place in the NFC East.
Over the course of the past decade, there were absolutely times when playing our division was easier. Hell, in 2004 we had three 6-10 teams.I dont think its about Shan with us now but more that you are trying to state that the AFC West is some tuff div when its clearly not. When you play teams like the Chefs, Donkeys and Faiders 6 times in a year you are going to have a decent record. You come in to our div and play the Bums, Gnats and Iggles 6 times it isnt nearly as easy.