What Are YOU Looking For, Starting Tonight?

[The Squire]

I'm not one who would be so quick to release Grossman. He can be a big asset to both Griff and Cousins. They've even said as much. Maybe he can't execute the offense as well as liked, but he knows it and he has the experience of being an NFL QB (both on and off the field).

I love that we drafted Cousins, along with RG3, but he's still a work in progress. And in many ways, so is RG3. I think they should hold onto Grossman at least one more year as the backup.

Should RG3 go down with an injury during the game, I'd throw Grossman into the fire (not Cousins) and then depending on how long he's out decide if you want to prep Cousins to get his first start. But I wouldn't just cast Grossman aside.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Finally watched the first team O & D, and here are a few thoughts:

1) These replacement officials are AWFUL. Goodell better get his head out of his ass and settle this ref lockout, or the fans might revolt! That touchback/no-touchback call was the worst I've ever seen in any sport.

2) So much for D Hall as the slot CB - saw him matched up against Stevie Johnson a few times, and at least two times he got beat like a rented mule. Also, Josh Wilson got abused a few times, including the TD that was called back. The secondary is still a concern.

3) OL is also a concern - the run blocking was not great. Pass-pro was good, but as Kevin pointed out, they were playing a lot of contain, cause they were scurred of RGIII running. I don't know who #73 is, but he got destroyed on one of Royster's longer runs by LB50. Should have been a stop for a loss if the LB was any better.

4) London Fletcher will be fine. I saw some say they were concerned about his height in the play where Scott Chandler caught a pass over top of him - that was just a ridiculous play by Chandler; Fletcher was in perfect coverage, and Meriweather laid a big pop at the end. Chandler just made a great play.

5) Just the first preseason game, but as mentioned earlier, I'm a bit concerned with RGIII's accuracy. I'm sure this will improve, but he was not as sharp as I would have liked. I guess we should be happy that all the passes were caught by a Redskin, and not a Bill (like when Grossman was QB ).

6) Love the pistol formation!

 

[Ax]

1) These replacement officials are AWFUL. Goodell better get his head out of his ass and settle this ref lockout, or the fans might revolt! That touchback/no-touchback call was the worst I've ever seen in any sport.

Awful?

Were you drunk when you watched it?

They'd have to stand tip-toed on a fully extended 40 ft. ladder just to scratch AWFUL on the bottom of it's foot!

Heir Goodell should have been spending more time on this than protecting his boss's from their blatant salary cap collusion.

What a ****ing joke he is.

 

[Goaldeje]

Not to derail the thread, but my favorite part was the officiating was how long it took the whistle to blow after the end of the play. Someone's gonna get hurt with this ****.

 

[Boone]

Lanky - I'm struggling to understand...are you suggesting there's still doubt that Griffin will start from the outset? Because if you aren't calling that into question, how is Grossman's experience an asset in any way? We should jettison fat charlie now and use that roster spot to hold onto an extra big ugly on the OL. We'll need that guy far more than Mr. Interception later this year.r

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[fansince62]

Lanky - I'm struggling to understand...are you suggesting there's still doubt that Griffin will start from the outset? Because if you aren't calling that into question, how is Grossman's experience an asset in any way? We should jettison fat charlie now and use that roster spot to hold onto an extra big ugly on the OL. We'll need that guy far more than Mr. Interception later this year.r

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exactly. Shanahan already made the decision on who will start. What's Grossman going to deliberate on....how to work INTs into the gameplan at inopportune times?

how about this: does anyone really want Rex passing on his "wisdom"? I sure don't.

 

[Henry]

Grossman is capable of playing well in short stretches, and thats all you should really need from a backup. If Griffin goes down for a game or two I'd expect Grossman in there. If Bob goes out for the season I wouldnt be surprised to see Cousins get the nod.

In either case I dont see Grossman getting cut. You dont go into a season with two QBs, especially two rookies.

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[Lanky Livingston]

Lanky - I'm struggling to understand...are you suggesting there's still doubt that Griffin will start from the outset? Because if you aren't calling that into question, how is Grossman's experience an asset in any way? We should jettison fat charlie now and use that roster spot to hold onto an extra big ugly on the OL. We'll need that guy far more than Mr. Interception later this year.r

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Ah, re-read my post and it was not clear. I meant if in the unfortunate event RGIII went down this season, it might be too soon to start Cousins. I think he needs a year or two on the bench.

 

[fansince62]

Grossman is capable of playing well in short stretches, and thats all you should really need from a backup. If Griffin goes down for a game or two I'd expect Grossman in there. If Bob goes out for the season I wouldnt be surprised to see Cousins get the nod.

In either case I dont see Grossman getting cut. You dont go into a season with two QBs, especially two rookies.

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not a long-term value adding strategy IMO:

1) keep a player with marginal abilities just for 1-2 games? that's not getting much value over the season from the roster spot - high opportunity cost.

2) RG is hurt for a longer set of games - waste of time playing a loser like Grossman. Put Cousins in there...sink or swim time.....prosper and suddenly create trade value. NO ONE WANTS Grossman.

3) RG is hurt this team is done and going nowhere. then we're just back to arguing whether 5-11, 6-10 is the better way to go. pass.

Agree Shanahans wil stick with Grossman.........seeing as they have been overly willing to absolutely screw up the QB position the first two seasons under their leadership...who's surprised?

 

[Henry]

not a long-term value adding strategy IMO:

1) keep a player with marginal abilities just for 1-2 games? that's not getting much value over the season from the roster spot - high opportunity cost.

That's exactly what a backup QB is. Every single team in the league hopes that the backup never plays. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have one.

I think we can all agree Grossman is not a starting-calibre QB. I'd like to think that was obvious before he even signed here. However, we also saw last year that for short stretches of games he can play ok. That's what a backup is for. The third-stringer is The Project.

2) RG is hurt for a longer set of games - waste of time playing a loser like Grossman. Put Cousins in there...sink or swim time.....prosper and suddenly create trade value. NO ONE WANTS Grossman.

And that's exactly what I said in my post as well. If the season is over you might as well play the young guy. That doesn't mean there's never a point in having an old guy.

 

[The Squire]

not a long-term value adding strategy IMO:

1) keep a player with marginal abilities just for 1-2 games? that's not getting much value over the season from the roster spot - high opportunity cost.

2) RG is hurt for a longer set of games - waste of time playing a loser like Grossman. Put Cousins in there...sink or swim time.....prosper and suddenly create trade value. NO ONE WANTS Grossman.

3) RG is hurt this team is done and going nowhere. then we're just back to arguing whether 5-11, 6-10 is the better way to go. pass.

Agree Shanahans wil stick with Grossman.........seeing as they have been overly willing to absolutely screw up the QB position the first two seasons under their leadership...who's surprised?

To your 2nd point, what if (heaven forbid), Griff gets hurt the first game and is out a month. Then you throw Cousins in there and he sinks. How are you helping his trade value?

 

[fansince62]

To your 2nd point, what if (heaven forbid), Griff gets hurt the first game and is out a month. Then you throw Cousins in there and he sinks. How are you helping his trade value?

doesn't matter. we have gained knowledge: he either is out the door or has potential worth developing. the point is we aren't going anywhere with Rex - he has no long term value for this team.....so why waste the roster spot? he's not a net gain at the QB position...

 

[Lanky Livingston]

To your 2nd point, what if (heaven forbid), Griff gets hurt the first game and is out a month. Then you throw Cousins in there and he sinks. How are you helping his trade value?

Exactly. Starting Cousins as a rookie is a double-edged sword. If the ultimate goal is trading him, you make sure he is ready before playing him.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Awful?

Were you drunk when you watched it?

They'd have to stand tip-toed on a fully extended 40 ft. ladder just to scratch AWFUL on the bottom of it's foot!

Heir Goodell should have been spending more time on this than protecting his boss's from their blatant salary cap collusion.

What a ****ing joke he is.

Yep. Looks like we might have these clowns refereeing games that count. Sigh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...-officials-regular-season-145603759--nfl.html

 

[Goaldeje]

Goodell is a ****ing moron if he allows that to happen. Actually, he is a moron either way, come to think of it...

 

[Elephant]

Goodell is a ****ing moron if he allows that to happen. Actually, he is a moron either way, come to think of it...

And the worst part is they are really fighting over table scraps in the grand scheme. The NFL...owners and their mouth piece...is getting out of control. Last year I supported the owners because I am not a fan of Unions, but that has completely changed. Well...still not a fan of unions but that's for another forum.

Goodell is out of control! And this referee issue is ridiculous!

 

[Neophyte]

Part of it isn't table scraps, El. One of the big sticking points is apparently that the NFL wants the Refs to go full time which would force those with day jobs (more than half of them, from reports I have seen) to give up those jobs. A number of these guys would be giving up significant "outside" income to go full time with the NFL, which they don't want to do.

Another point of contention is that the NFL wants to increase the number of crews available to work games so that they can give guys more time off during the year and to have a deeper roster of Refs with so many of the current generation getting older. The current pool of Refs is unhappy over this too.

It isn't all about money and the NFL isn't being completely unreasonable in their approach to things. Some of the leagues desires would, at least in theory, make for a better game.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Yeah, guys like Hochuli aren't going to give up their lucrative law-practice because the NFL wants them to...Goodell is so stupid.

 

[fansince62]

That's exactly what a backup QB is. Every single team in the league hopes that the backup never plays. That doesn't mean they shouldn't have one.

I think we can all agree Grossman is not a starting-calibre QB. I'd like to think that was obvious before he even signed here. However, we also saw last year that for short stretches of games he can play ok. That's what a backup is for. The third-stringer is The Project.



And that's exactly what I said in my post as well. If the season is over you might as well play the young guy. That doesn't mean there's never a point in having an old guy.

1) The issue isn't whether we have a backup...the issue is who is the backup.

2) What sort of strategy is that? Keeping a player who we know is a persistent disaster in the making hanging on cuz he might be servicable for a game or two? What you are trying to say, I imagine, is you believe that if we have to resort to a backup for a short stretch we have a better chance of winning with Rex. And I am saying going to Rex has been established as a losing hand. The evidence is emphatically clear on that one. Moreover, I'm asserting we are better off playing Cousins.

3) No way to develop a player without playing him. If it's a couple games...I believe the team is much better off using Cousins as the backup since he is the long-term backup while filling Rex's wasted roster spot with someone who can play and contribute.....say an o-lineman.

Butterball is an embarrassment to professionals everywhere.

 

[Henry]

Al, I know you hate Grossman. I don't think he's as bad as you do. He's clearly not a starter, which is why he's not starting. But his first start of 2010 he posted a passer rating of 93.4 and our offense put up 30 points. His first start of 2011 he posted a passer rating of 110.5 and we scored 28 points. He is able to step in and immediately produce. What he can't do is play even remotely consistently for more than about two games. That's why he's a good backup, because he can hold down the fort short-term without creating a QB Controversy.

Cousins at this point is completely raw and useless. Unless you think we should write off the season completely the moment Bob goes down you don't put Cousins in the game. He's better off holding the clipboard and taking notes for a year or two before stepping into the fire. Young stud QBs no longer have the luxury of learning the game on the bench for a year or three like they did back in the Gibbs I days, but when we do have the chance afford young QB such a luxury, we should take it. In my opinion.