What's for Dinner?

I think there are a lot of cooking 'laws' that maybe don't hold up to close inspection but they are such hard and fast beliefs it is difficult to change people's minds on. Cooking brisket hot and fast is one of those. Now - I personally have found that my briskets don't come out as juicy and tender when I DO hot and fast, but I know people that do it a lot who do fantastic brisket this way. But most 'purists' would never do hot and fast.

Personally, just based on my 'experience', when I don't rest large cuts of meat for at least an hour, they seem to spill a ton of liquid as compared to after a decent rest. I do think you have to define 'rest'. For me that means wrapping (if not already wrapped), putting in some kind of insulated container (cooler, resting box, something like that), and going at least an hour (sometimes 2-3 hours depending on what it is). I don't know that I think resting meat for 10 or 20 minutes makes a big difference.

But again, there are probably a lot of sacred 'rules' of cooking that aren't based on science or data and are just 'accepted' as fact.

<laughing> It's like you are posting what's in my brain and I can't type fast enough, and then I'm reading it before I have a chance to post it.
 
We're old. And we do a lot of outdoor cooking. I get the sense you have really mastered it though - I don't claim to be at that level.
 
"mastered it" might be pushing it a little, but thank you... :p
 
Okay, so pretend I wrote what Boone wrote above. :p

Check the latter part of this vid by Jabon Postal, who I think it a great and competent cook.



The slicing bugs me.

As he slices, the juices spill all over the board and he begins making comments about the juices.

"This tri tip is literally swimming in juices."

"The juices are just literally running everywhere"

"There's lots of juices flowing everywhere"

He's not lying. In the first shot, he's got a board with a slot around it to catch the juices, and it begins to fill to the rim even as the board is covered. The second shot, the slot is magically empty because he apparently drained it out between shots. But still, the juices are running across the board. You can see the juices puddling and flowing.

Is that what we want? Do we want juices running everywhere? I think not. I think we want the juices to stay in the meat.

Here's another vid showing the exact same thing. Again, I like this guy a lot. But look at those juices pouring out!



So what is the problem?

I believe the problem is in the rest - or lack thereof.

Many on youtube and other sites are arguing that it makes no difference to "rest" the meat or to cut right into it. They run various experiments and show that the juice loss is very similar either way.

However, quite a while ago, I cooked a picanha on the weber, and my wife was not ready. You know - the veggies weren't done. And so I rested the meat. And it rested. And rested. And rested. Way too long, I thought. I was mildly irritated. Who cares about the vegetables??? I didn't say that, but I was thinking it. But then when I finally sliced into that nice picanha, almost no juice spilled out.

Then I ran across a video posted fairly recently by a Michelin trained chef who explains indirectly that most people don't understand what resting is, and how to do it. He says a hunk of beef that's pulled out of the cooker and rested until the meat peaks or otherwise reaches the idea internal temp is not rested meat. He explains that the rest doesn't begin until the IT reverses direction and starts going the other way - that is, down. And he says this should be done for roughly ten minutes for the steak in his example.

He says some call this a "double-rest" but it's really not. Because the rest doesn't start until the meat hits peak IT, he explains.

If you pull the meat out of the cooker and put it on a board, it is not resting. It is still cooking. It's carry-over cooking. And the vast majority of cooks, including accomplished cooks, don't understand this.

But I've found that if you follow this guy's technique, then slice into your meat - there is virtually no juice spillage. I've done this several times and I am repeatedly amazed at how little the juices flow out of the meat. And that's the technique I followed in the tri tip I did last weekend. See several posts above. As you can see, there is virtually no juice lost.

Here is the vid of the Michelin trained chef. Watch his technique closely and listen to his explanations.



It seems to me, as Boone stated above, that much of the problem is in the definition of "rest." There is a huge misunderstanding or lack of agreement on what "rest" means.
 
Michelin is an award not a culinary school, just FYI
 
I'm going to take out a loan and buy a pot roast for dinner. I don't love pot roast or anyting but apparently I make a really good one that the wife loves. Besides it's a great leftover for a snowy
Sunday.
 
Felt like chili weather here today so...

I like to think I have perfected my chili over the years, some of my 'keys' to good chili include:

- beef tips not hamburger.
- lots of onion, fresh garlic, and I usually add (don't stone me) some chopped celery and jalapeno
- will occasionally add some bacon to the mix although not today
- roasted cumin seeds (not ground cumin) make a huge difference
- I make a tea with dried mexican peppers (New Mex, Guajillo, etc...) by seeding and then roasting them, and soaking in boiling water for 30 minutes - using only the liquid
- lots of tomato
- Kidney bean heavy (I know texans will scream sacrilege but I love my chili with beans)
- beer add is a must, and I usually add a bit of beef and chicken stock
- Dried oregano and basil
- I always use several varieties of chili powder
- be careful not to add too much liquid... it can be hard to get a good thick chili if you overdo the liquids.
- I usually cook my vegetables first, remove them from the pot, then do my beef which I prep by adding the chili powder, dry spices, and some kosher salt and pepper ahead of time. Once the meat is somewhat browned, will add the veggies back in, followed by tomatoes, beans, and liquid additions. Simmer for several hours.

I love to eat my chili with plain old saltines
 
I take it you are no adding much beer, is there a specific type you like to use?
I've used pilsners, porters, and stouts to get a little different flavoring. Odd thing though, I really like Guinness but do not like it in chili.
 
I usually use a neutral beer like a Sam Adams. I am not looking for intense flavoring as much as just a subtle layer. I have experimented and strong beers tend to take over
 
I usually use a neutral beer like a Sam Adams. I am not looking for intense flavoring as much as just a subtle layer. I have experimented and strong beers tend to take over
Agreed, I had a friend pushing a porter. I tried it and did not like it
 
Felt like chili weather here today so...

I like to think I have perfected my chili over the years, some of my 'keys' to good chili include:

- beef tips not hamburger.
- lots of onion, fresh garlic, and I usually add (don't stone me) some chopped celery and jalapeno
- will occasionally add some bacon to the mix although not today
- roasted cumin seeds (not ground cumin) make a huge difference
- I make a tea with dried mexican peppers (New Mex, Guajillo, etc...) by seeding and then roasting them, and soaking in boiling water for 30 minutes - using only the liquid
- lots of tomato
- Kidney bean heavy (I know texans will scream sacrilege but I love my chili with beans)
- beer add is a must, and I usually add a bit of beef and chicken stock
- Dried oregano and basil
- I always use several varieties of chili powder
- be careful not to add too much liquid... it can be hard to get a good thick chili if you overdo the liquids.
- I usually cook my vegetables first, remove them from the pot, then do my beef which I prep by adding the chili powder, dry spices, and some kosher salt and pepper ahead of time. Once the meat is somewhat browned, will add the veggies back in, followed by tomatoes, beans, and liquid additions. Simmer for several hours.

I love to eat my chili with plain old saltines
Roasted cumin seeds? Interesting. My secret which makes my pot roast so good is I take 1/4 onion and dot it with cloves, I also start the meat in just red wine to give it a beef burgundy flavor.
 
Yup, Campbell's homestyle NE clam chowder spiced up with Old Bay & a lot of pepper with a grilled cheese (double deluxe white American).
 
Gonna cook up some duck breasts with a little Chinese Five Spice, along with some green beans sauteed with soy sauce and garlic.
 
My brother does a duck taco that will change your life, lol... but that sounds pretty great China
 
I usually use a neutral beer like a Sam Adams. I am not looking for intense flavoring as much as just a subtle layer. I have experimented and strong beers tend to take over

You don't use one of your own creations? Or, have you given on on brewing beer?
 
Given up - no. But it's been a little while. Challenge accepted though :)
 
Giving up? HAIL NO.
Going through some things. Gotta make do.
Diced onions, leftover Coney sauce with 2 packets of Taco Bell Fire and corn, refried beans, pepper jack. Sour cream is on the bottom so it spreads and isn't cold. Medium picante.
Sometimes you just gotta have a quesadilla.

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