Tracking the Trenches

It's not his opinion, it's the constant repeating of it from thread to thread, day to day. If someone is acting happy he's shitting on it. You can say "we are going in the right direction" and there is a post about Snyder.

His original opinion is valued and expanding on it would be welcomed as well. But he has literally said the same thing in several threads last night and it was obvious it was just to cause a ruckus.
 
The fact remains you need a roster of 53 good players to win in the NFL.

Where a guy is drafted becomes less important over time. The question is, is Player X a contributor or not?

I am less caught up with we 'can't' draft a guard, center, tight end or inside linebacker high in Round 1 if a potential 'best at position' candidate emerges.

To me it's better management to get the best center in the draft than perhaps the fourth or fifth best OLB.

Where you make a mistake is when a team forces itself to think a top pick has to be a quarterback or pass catcher or defensive rusher and they push a guy up higher than he deserves.

Wasted picks on Gabbert and Locker as well as Christian Ponder come to mind.

Rather than reach for a position I would rather have taken the best guard, running back, tight end, or middle linebacker and tried to find a qb later on in the draft, via trade or free agency, etc.

I have no problem with taking Scherff where we did if 3-4 years from now he is one of the best interior OL in the game.
 
And honestly, strong teams arent made or broken in the first round. Most of the first rounders the Redskins have made in the Snyder Era have actually been hits. Bailey, Arrington, Samuels, Taylor, Rodgers, Orakpo, Williams, Kerrigan ...maybe Griffin. ... Thats a lot of hits. Thats not our problem. Our problem is all the other rounds. We whiff SO much in round 2-7 year in and year out we can barely field a team. We draft OL every year in later rounds that cant play.

Scherff playing guard vs Scherff playing tackle wont make or break us. That wont define our draft. Will Smith pan out? Crowder? Jones? Kouandjio? Will Reiter make the team?

Answer these questions and then we can talk about how the Redskins draft went. These are the picks that need to start hitting.
 
To be honest, the constant piling on against anyone who isnt all rainbows and puppy dogs is annoying and takes away from the fan experience from my POV. I get that yall want to control the tone to a certain degree but its getting to the point of discouraging posting. People here who dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about everything dont feel like taking on a pack of smiling dogs just to voice their opinion. The same folks who complain some just keep saying the same thing DO the same thing, over and over and over. But if you want to make it ok for some but not all its cool, nobody notices it I'm sure.
 
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For me, the frustrating part is more about beating the dead horse, then it is about showing the world that the horse is dead.

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Dead Money said:
To be honest, the constant piling on against anyone who isnt all rainbows and puppy dogs is annoying and takes away from the fan experience from my POV. I get that yall want to control the tone to a certain degree but its getting to the point of discouraging posting. People here who dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about everything dont feel like taking on a pack of smiling dogs just to voice their opinion. The same folks who complain some just keep saying the same thing DO the same thing, over and over and over. But if you want to make it ok for some but not all its cool, nobody notices it I'm sure.
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I don't think that's fair DM. We have said it over and over and we are pretty ****ing consistent. Folks can post whatever they want as long as it's respectful. That doesn't mean pro-Redskins. We have also said over and over that if people worried about their own posting style and tone, and let the staff worry about others that this would be a lot better board. The problem isn't our position or how we 'moderate' - it's that there are 5% of our members who don't listen or just choose to ignore the guidance.

I spoke to tr1 this week because he was going from thread to thread posting the exact same thing. When a member does that, it's not about expressing a view, it has another intent. It's called 'spamming'. And the other person who was spoken to recently was due to them jumping on others for having a less positive viewpoint than he preferred. We don't play favorites and we don't tell people how they should view their team or what comments to post.

So, just like it's always been, the more homeristic here accuse us of tolerating trolls and pot-stirrers, while the more negative posters accuse us of censorship and not allowing dissent. And we have a few members who think that because they've been here for years, we want and need their help moderating. We don't.

That's the truth.





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Dead Money said:
To be honest, the constant piling on against anyone who isnt all rainbows and puppy dogs is annoying and takes away from the fan experience from my POV. I get that yall want to control the tone to a certain degree but its getting to the point of discouraging posting. People here who dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about everything dont feel like taking on a pack of smiling dogs just to voice their opinion. The same folks who complain some just keep saying the same thing DO the same thing, over and over and over. But if you want to make it ok for some but not all its cool, nobody notices it I'm sure.
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It's hard to take this seriously when you reduce the complaint to some cadre objecting to "anyone who isn't all rainbows and puppy dogs." That simply isn't true, and there is no such cadre or individual here.

There was a lot that led to this latest dust-up, and none of it, zero, had to do with any BGO member's inability to post their thoughts and opinions.

We have all kinds of personalities and opinions here. All kinds of opinions--negative, positive and everywhere in between--are and always have been welcome and encouraged. And anyone who watches with an objective eye will see that any and all of those opinions get challenged, discussed and parsed with equal vigor. I'd really like to think that after all this time we all understand the difference between a challenge to the substance of an argument, and a challenge to the manner in which it is presented.
 
Unfair? Was I singling you out or any moderator? Nope, I appreciate your position John I don't have an iota of patience for much of the BS you deal with. I think all of the concerns mentioned have merit but I still think a few of us have a perspective whether right or wrong in others eyes, I just think it simply gets labeled and that divisiveness you mention occurs. This isn't a condemnation of the site or the mods just something I feel needs to be said once and a while.
 
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It's hard to take this seriously when you reduce the complaint to some cadre objecting to "anyone who isn't all rainbows and puppy dogs." That simply isn't true, and there is no such cadre or individual here. T

here was a lot that led to this latest dust-up, and none of it, zero, had to do with any BGO member's inability to post their thoughts and opinions.

We have all kinds of personalities and opinions here. All kinds of opinions--negative, positive and everywhere in between--are and always have been welcome and encouraged. And anyone who watches with an objective eye will see that any and all of those opinions get challenged, discussed and parsed with equal vigor. I'd really like to think that after all this time we all understand the difference between a challenge to the substance of an argument, and a challenge to the manner in which it is presented.
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We all know you don't take me seriously anyway so why even mention it now? Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's just a nice summer drizzle Om.

You both seem to be getting your feelings hurt over a simple observation that doesn't really apply to either of you. You both do a good job of walking the objective line.. So others don't and you let it slide... What can you do. This all goes unsaid... Now it's said.

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Dead Money said:
We all know you don't take me seriously anyway so why even mention it now? Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's just a nice summer drizzle Om.
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Say what? This isn't about you, brother. Or at least it wasn't until you made it so. For what it's worth, I take everyone here the same.

As to the rest, clearly we aren't speaking the same language. I'm done. Thanks for the constructive criticism.
 
Dead Money said:
To be honest, the constant piling on against anyone who isnt all rainbows and puppy dogs is annoying and takes away from the fan experience from my POV. I get that yall want to control the tone to a certain degree but its getting to the point of discouraging posting. People here who dont have a warm and fuzzy feeling about everything dont feel like taking on a pack of smiling dogs just to voice their opinion. The same folks who complain some just keep saying the same thing DO the same thing, over and over and over. But if you want to make it ok for some but not all its cool, nobody notices it I'm sure.
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As an interested observer, I don't see the "constant piling on against anyone" that you speak of. There are specific times, and posters, who draw the ire of quite a few, but not for being anti "rainbows and puppy dogs", alone. It's almost always the repetitive nature used, and the indignant tone they take when people don't agree with their idea that they discovered the wheel, and the rest of us are too stupid to see it.

I have rarely heard a complaint about the owner, team, coaches, players, etc..., that I didn't already consider myself. We all give certain ideas different degrees of importance. That's where the rub comes in. Most people post their ideas, and back their premise accordingly. It doesn't take long to know, pretty much, what a poster's views are.

The rainbow and puppy dog folk, aka, positive thinkers, are just skipping down the sidewalk, whistling a tune from the sound of music, enjoying the glimmer of sunlight trying to peak through the clouds. I'm sure than can be annoying to some.

Nowhere near as annoying, IMHO, as the "realist", gloom and doom, aka, negative thinkers. Who have an affinity for walking into a party, jumping up on the table, pissing in the punch bowl, while belting out "The End", by the Doors. I find they are much more consistently "in your face" than the positive crowd.

I believe the positives do turn to getting personal, at times. I believe the negatives start out being personal, more times than not.

But that's just me. Though I am perfect. ;)
 
So..game day. Offensive line.

Are the entire group of 1s starting?
 
What it comes down to, apparently, is whether or not you want to be Squidward or Spongebob.

I have three kids. :)
 
I think so, Mike. Haven't heard otherwise, anyway.

Making tonight's "starting offense," which we'll see run maybe 12 plays ... these guys?

QB -- Bob
WR -- Garcon, Roberts (Grant?)
TE -- some guy named Hamm
OL -- Williams, Lavao, Lichstenfleuger, Sherff, Moses
RB -- Morris
 
Even though it's just the 1st preseason game I think it's important for this new squad to gel and get a groove of dominance going
 
I believe so, Mike. I look for a lot of runs to the right side while they're in.
 
Thank you for the answer, you glorious bastards.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!
 
Wait a second. Weren't a lot of Redskins fans upset years ago when the team didn't draft Steve Hutchinson in the top 10?

Wasn't he a guard coming out that projected to the same spot in the NFL?

How is that situation any different than the one with Scherff playing inside?

In the end result you need 5 linemen who can block.

We haven't had an NFL line since 2004-5 under Gibbs when Samuels and Jansen were bookends for us.
 
Funny, I remember Jansen with two broken thumbs being better than when he healed... ;)

Has it really been over ten years? Sheesh...

Nick
 
We haven't had a right tackle or guard worth spit in YEARS.

Given that history, I am willing to be patient and let Moses/Scherff develop.
 
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