#TheMovement

I'm with Mike here and couldn't disagree with Boone more. I think this dynamic of being in the meida is 100% media driven. Yea ironical huh? Griffin has a ton of endorsement deals and is on every reporters mind because he is so charismatic, and a much better media figure than Luck has or ever will be. The reason Luck isn't in all the ads etc isn't because he's refrained it's because the guy doesn't get offered what Griffin does. I think perception is the problem here, it's very far from reality. I consider a guy like Fletcher's words to be almost gospel on issues like this...

If Jackson doesn’t get enough touches, he could grumble (see Mike Wallace). And it initially will be Griffin’s job to keep Jackson from doing that.

Fletcher thinks Griffin can do it, in part because Fletcher believes Griffin isn’t a diva.

“He’s a hard worker, he’s extremely talented, he wants to be the best,” Fletcher said. “I saw that guy rehab three times a day last year [when] we were both going through a rehab situation. . . . He spent so much time in there, he wasn’t out doing all the commercials and all the things you saw. . . . Perception in this case is not reality.”
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Thanks for all the convo, folks! I appreciate seeing the different sides of this that I hadn't been able to consider since posting right after reading a damn tweet.

Just to re-direct, I was more concerned with where his head may be at rather than worried about his visability in social and other media.

I guess none of it will really matter if we're winning. (said captain obvious...) But if he does fail due to some form of disconnect in style and theory, I might view #TheMovement as being a point of derivation.

#HTTR
 
I'm not attacking Griffin guys, so you don't need to 'defend' him :). 'Ego-centric isn't necessarily a negative. But all you have to do is look at the thread title to know that Griffin LOVES the attention and pursues it like no QB we've ever seen, not just in DC - but anywhere. His own logo, the socks, the hashtags, the compulsive need to be all over social media and at every high- profile event at all times, the TV special on his recovery - let's be real, he is an attention whore of epic proportions. Again - if he helps this team become a perennial powerhouse and we have a decade of success, it'll all be good. But there's no doubt Griffin is all about Griffin. Winning is all I care about. And I'm on record saying he's going to go right back to Pro Bowl form this year. Doesn't change the fact that he's the biggest self-promoter in sports since George Foreman. And my only real point is that if that's your shtick, you'd better back it up, or the fans whose adoration you crave so much, are going to turn on you like a wild pack of dogs...
 
really? Joe Namath wasn't worse? Broadway Joe posing in stockings and fur coats?

You say you aren't attacking him yet you just said Luck was better, he is an attention whore, pursues attention, criticized his fashion and sense of humor. If that isn't attacking a person than I dont know what is.

Like I said, some people dont like it. But you didnt buy a Ferrari to have it haul around a trailer all day. You bought it because it was flashy and can go fast. Everything he has promoted has been positive, uplifting, and morally on the right side. He is a student of the game, he respects his coaches and those who came before him, and that is as important as if his socks are green, purple, or checkered.

With that said, I respect your side of things as well and can see why you have reservations. I am not going to push it any further =)
 
I'm pretty sure I'm capable of knowing whether I'm criticizing the guy or not Mike. I don't care that he's an attention whore - if we win games and he is not a distraction to the team. But he is an attention whore by my definition. I have rooted like hell for him, and will continue to do so. I've never said he wasn't a good guy and I've predicted he will be wildly successful from day one to date. And I didn't say half of what you just attributed to me. I said Luck is just as popular but doesn't feel the need to constantly be in the spotlight (and yeah, I prefer that in my tram's QB). And criticizing his fashion and sense of humor - I don't know what you're talking about.

And not everything you said about Griffin is accurate btw - he wasn't 100% positive about his former coaches either befor or after they left town. I'm not saying that's a requirement but Griffin is not Gandhi and Mother Teresa rolled into one either.
 
He's a huge attention whore....I don't believe anyone would deny that.

Compare him to Alfred Morris, for example.
 
I am attacking him. The kid needs to shut up and play. He won the division as a rookie...great. He ended that season more concerned with playing the game when he was not capable than seeing a healthy, capable back up come in and protect the lead he got before he became incapable of producing.

He went into the off-season thinking he could be Adrian Peterson...he was a far cry from that. In fact, his 2nd season in the NFL was an abysmal failure.

New coach? New scheme? Don't judge yet?

:bsflag:

I have a 4 year sample size now. This kid is all glitz and glamor. Sure he's uber talented, athletic, but he's a head case...have you followed him in social media?

We'll see, but here we are going in the midst of the 3rd off-season with him as our QB and I am still just as sick to my stomach about what we gave up for a kid who has a lot to prove.
 
I'm still kind of confused as to what #themovement is and what he means by they're playing football dictated by what the players want. I guess I'm getting old, but I always get a little worried when players start saying they're playing the way "they" want. Sounds like Gruden is on board and if that's the case I'm definitely more comfortable with it.

As far as Griffin, I love the guy, but I don't think there's any question about his need for and love of attention. While I agree that there is extra media attention on Washington football, he does engage in a lot of marketing, self promotion and social media activity. I love him and have no doubt he's a hard worker, but I'll be a lot happier when I 'm seeing results on the field. I think we'll see that this year with new coaching, a healthy Griffin and some insane offensive weapons, but damn, I wish he'd lay off so much of the self-generated publicity.
 
Yeah Katie, I think that's exactly the kind of unnecessary thing that get's him the unwanted (or if you want to say 'unfair') attention. I'm guessing that there have been some conversations between Griffin and Gruden and maybe others about the former coaching staff being control freaks, not listening to input from key players, forcing a system that didn't take max advantage of talents, those kinds of things. I also would guess that Gruden at least face-to-face probably tried to reassure Griffin that he valued his key players input, would listen to them, try to build an offense they liked playing in and felt was most effective. If that's what the conversation was, I really don't have a problem with it.

But the words Griffin uses, as you immediately honed in on, made it sound like the players will be calling the shots, as if the players know what's best - a proposition I think is highly dubious. If I were a coach reading those comments, I would have to roll my eyes - because no coach is going to let 'the players make the decisions'. The point is, even if that's as far from what Griffin really meant as can be, he's creating an opportunity for outsiders to immediately start questioning what he meant, what the dynamic is now at Redskins Park and what it will be between coaches and stars. For a guy who's supposed to be so smart and savvy, Griffin doesn't act very smart and savvy. Sure, right now, we're just fans hyperventilating and 'overreacting'. The problem is, if things don't go well or start to head south, every word Griffin has and will say will be used as kindling for the next big Redskins bonfire.

The bonfire burned an entire coaching staff right out of the building last year. So if folks don't think it can happen, I think you've got a pretty short memory.

I think Griffin was worth every draft pick it took to get him. I still believe he's going to take us to the Promised Land. But I'll confess, I really wish he would just STFU and let his play on the field do the talking for him. I think that's a minority viewpoint based on what most fans (here and elsewhere) seem to say about Griffin's love of the spotlight. It doesn't make me disloyal or anti-RG3. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
eh...this is nothing compared to...I don't know...Riggo back in the day. (Sandy baby.....mohawk......drinking...passed out in the shower...etc...etc). No one seemed to have a problem with him!

The NFL has become one big friggin business. The players know it and they are going to grab their piece. I have no problem with that. All the amateur shrink stuff isn't convincing.

I'm curious, this board never seems to weigh the community service these players commit to as part of the evaluation function. places the players in a very different light.

So..the message then is "Be like Alfred. Shut up and do what you're told. Now go dance in front of a Corvette"?

Mike is spot on. It's off-season. There's no drama around any of this ESPECIALLY IN THE LOCKER ROOM AND ON THE FIELD. It's a contrived concern IMO.
 
Lol, rolling my eyes was the first thing I did when I saw the "we define how we play" etc. quotations. I thought to myself what I'd do if my players, regardless of level, said stuff like that when I'm coaching.

That said, I suspect you're right and the way it's being worded makes it sound more "dubious" than it really is. I am sure there were a lot of concerns aired about the former coaches and the way they made decisions and yes, I'm sure Gruden made a lot of reassurances to the players.

I agree about Griffin's talent, I like that he has the support of his teammates and I'm so glad he's my team's QB. Love the guy. However, I am extremely wary of his heavy involvement in social media. I think he's a good guy, but I social media is potentially very dangerous. I think it makes him more of a target of the media and increases the likelihood of unnecessary scrutiny, speculative reporting, rumor mongering and negative attention not only on him, but on the team and organization. Our organization already has a big, fat target on it's back and I just fear heavy involvement in social media increases the chances of negative publicity for the team which could potentially cause distractions.

I still follow him on Facebook, Twitter and everything else though :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
fansince62 said:
eh...this is nothing compared to...I don't know...Riggo back in the day. (Sandy baby.....mohawk......drinking...passed out in the shower...etc...etc). No one seemed to have a problem with him!
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Social media did not exist back in the 80's. Hell, did the internet even exist back then? Media scrutiny was not even comparable to media scrutiny on players today.
 
"we define how we play" means that how hard they practice, the effort they put in, the chemistry they develop and maintain determines how well they play. not one mention of them taking over a playbook or deciding what plays would be called.

people are looking for things to criticize here. every day he posts about God, his love for life, positive messages, and how well that the team practiced. knowyourwhy...sure sounds good when you think about it. or it means that they are owed something and they deserve to know their why and be talked in to it. perspective is an amazing thing.
 
SK...but RGIII is exactly right. How many times have we heard coaches say "The players have to execute the plays"? It's pretty obvious to me he's speaking to responsibility. Is the word "define" tripping people up?
 
if someone comes in and barely practices, doesnt put in the effort in the training sessions, barely talks to his teammates...he has already defined what kind of experience he will have with the team and on the field.

he has held practices with his teammates, met up with the new WR, they say he looks stronger than ever and without the knee brace, and is still being positive. I haven't heard a single negative story about him that wasn't fully made up for no good reason.
 
Special K said:
Social media did not exist back in the 80's. Hell, did the internet even exist back then? Media scrutiny was not even comparable to media scrutiny on players today.
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I knew that one was coming up - how does that matter? Are you saying then that it isn't the action itself...only how public it is? So, no matter what RGIII tweets...he passes a certain count and it's unacceptable? bad for the team? or that the content of what he posts, his business affairs, etc, etc....are all captive to 16 games annually? That doesn't strike me as a full life. He should go for all of it while he has the chance!!

He's the QB of the Washington Redskins. He was the offensive rookie of the year. He had a bad season following an injury and a coaching debacle. He's living in an age where everyone exposes (often literally) the deepest details about themselves, working in an industry flush with cash, understanding that football is largely entertainment industry stuff these days. I fail to see anything destructive or 3 standard deviations outside the norm here.

I think (hope) he's having a blast.
 
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MikeSr619 said:
if someone comes in and barely practices, doesnt put in the effort in the training sessions, barely talks to his teammates...he has already defined what kind of experience he will have with the team and on the field.

he has held practices with his teammates, met up with the new WR, they say he looks stronger than ever and without the knee brace, and is still being positive. I haven't heard a single negative story about him that wasn't fully made up for no good reason.
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my take as well.
 
fansince62 said:
eh...this is nothing compared to...I don't know...Riggo back in the day. (Sandy baby.....mohawk......drinking...passed out in the shower...etc...etc). No one seemed to have a problem with him!

The NFL has become one big friggin business. The players know it and they are going to grab their piece. I have no problem with that. All the amateur shrink stuff isn't convincing.

I'm curious, this board never seems to weigh the community service these players commit to as part of the evaluation function. places the players in a very different light.

So..the message then is "Be like Alfred. Shut up and do what you're told. Now go dance in front of a Corvette"?

Mike is spot on. It's off-season. There's no drama around any of this ESPECIALLY IN THE LOCKER ROOM AND ON THE FIELD. It's a contrived concern IMO.
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Different times Al. There's no comparison to the environment Riggo operated in and the one RG3 walks around in every day. That's not RG3's fault, but it's the truth. I'm betting Riggins would be viewed as a pariah, a player to steer away from, if he were playing in today's environment.

Again, I don't know many fans who think RG3 is a bad guy, a selfish guy, or a bad leader. I do think there are more than a few like me, who are concerned that well-intentioned or not, his need to constantly put himself and his views out there (and I mean, thrusting himself into the spotlight nearly constantly) is going to eventually undo all the good things he brings to the table.

Community service? Honestly - I could care less about his community service. He's not my pastor, my social worker, or my hero. I want him to be a Hall of Fame NFL quarterback. And the only reason I care about his penchant for the spotlight is because I think it has the potential to backfire and become a distraction for his team.

I don't get why it's upsetting to anyone to say 'Man - RG3 talks a lot - I wish he'd let his play do the talking'. Or 'RG3 is constantly in the news' and wonder if that could be a problem? That's not gutting the man, it's not being a disloyal fan, it's just concern. And if less than 6 months after seeing the entire Redskins organization overhauled almost exclusively due to drama and a media feeding frenzy, concern is 'contrived' - I guess I just don't get that perspective.
 
MikeSr619 said:
"we define how we play" means that how hard they practice, the effort they put in, the chemistry they develop and maintain determines how well they play. not one mention of them taking over a playbook or deciding what plays would be called.
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Well, you're wrong on that per RG3's direct quote in the article: "...we get a chance to play the brand of football we want to play, determined by the players..."

My entire point is that his active involvement in social media enables the media to scrutinize him extra, pick out things to rag on him about, and bring unnecessary attention to a team that really doesn't need more negative media attention.

Like I said before, I don't think RG3 meant it the way it came across. However, being in the public spotlight so much opens the door for people to scrutinize him and pick him apart. That's the entire point of why I am wary of extreme involvement in social media. For example, would we be even discussing this story but for his involvement in social media? Negatory.
 
no, Im not "wrong" its what your perspective is that is what it is. You just don't want to see it from my side even though what he said in your quote can mean the same thing.

we get a chance to play the brand of football we want to play....by practicing and coming together as a team we get to determine what kind of football we play and how well its played

determined by the players...determined by how hard we practice now.

its perspective...and how you want to look at things. you think he talks too much, I dont. I am not wrong, I just dont agree or see it how you do. That just makes it different.

The Redskins have been the center of the sports world since I was a boy. From Riggo's antics, to the Hogs making commercials, to Theismanns leg, to Darrell Green being on TV as the fastest man in the NFL, to Vince Lombardi coming to DC, to Gibbs, to Sean Taylor, to Dexter Manley doing coke, to Shanahan coming and going, to Portis dressing up, to Westbrook knocking a teammate out, to signing all those horrible free agents, to Dan Snyder buying the team, to the very name itself. We have been THE story to look for each and every year no matter our record.

Griffin coming in wasnt going to stop any stories...the draft picks we gave up for him already wrote it. At least he is giving it a positive angle instead of sippin sizzurp, yelling at reporters, gaining too much weight, retiring after his 3rd year. It could be a hell of a lot worse than a guy being known for what zany socks he is wearing or his funny rap videos on YouTube with his wife..
 
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