#TheMovement

[Dik Shuttle]

Boy, this kid just can't get out of his own way, can he?

What exactly is #TheMovement RGIII keeps talking about ?

I'm usually on Griff's side of these interpretive dances the media does deciphering his crypticisms. I see a bright young talent who thrives in the spotlight. So you give him some leeway. And being a 'Cane from the 80's I know what empowering your players can do.

But why the added level of separation this time? Is it needed? Is Redskin football not good enough, you have to brand your own? They can't be the same thing? I mean, it's the same team... soo....

It will be interesting to see how Gruden handles this.

 

[tshile]

it'd be nice if for once there was a steady period, over the course of a few years, where it was just about the football for this franchise.

griffin's an incredible talent and I have all the faith in the world in him, but i've quickly grown tired of this stuff. maybe i just don't get it and am becoming an old curmudgeon.

 

[JohnssBass]

I am not very social media literate but maybe this is way of saying they are buying in to what Gruden is bring to the table. It's what I get out of the article here:

link: RGIII says #TheMovement is about Redskins players choosing their own brand of football

 

[fansince62]

What RGIII is doing is fantastic!!! We all need to widen the aperture here to see what is going on. I see two primary thrusts.


1) team culture/identity

- he's the QB. entering his 3rd season - after being benched. he is re-establishing himself as a leader.

- the team was 3-13 and the HC was fired. most teams would be in disarray rife w/uncertainty with a new HC and bad memories. instead, the whole org is leaning forward and creating an atmosphere where they believe they are right back in the mix THIS SEASON. he's taking a lead in shaping the culture. others, by all appearances, are buying into it. that's what leaders of the team are supposed to do.

2) Bidniz

- he's already told us in interviews how his understanding is evolving. I caught an interview the other day where he was asked about the challenges of moving from college to the NFL. other than the usual about speed of the game...his main answer was he had to learn all the business aspects of the NFL. and he didn't mean just the financial side. he was speaking about everything from community service events to tightly organized/scripted practices to year round focus.

- I think he's spot on here. a player's career is short. one challenge is to maximize earnings. absolutely NOTHING wrong with that mindset. the keys are: how does a player go about doing this; does it impact performance on the field/winning. he's figuring it out.

neither of these two thrusts worry me in the least. in fact, I am encouraged. I am more focused on whether or not Gruden can elevate RG to the next level in terms of pocket presence, read and decide speed, progressions. geeez.....the kid is basically a one season vet. last year was a complete wash for multiple reasons. he's resetting and conducting himself as he would have last season, IMO, were he not injured/recovering and getting caught up in the FO/Shanahans machinations.

 

[MikeSr619]

the off season means boredom..it also means over criticizing a lot of things because we miss all things football.

seriously, has he even been allowed to get a playbook yet? what can he do?

 

[Elephant]

Well, be more like his counterpart in Indy and pretty much keep his mouth shut and do his talking on the field?

I know we live in the 21st century world of social media, but after the season he pulled off last year when he was so adamant about his ability to come back, then fell flat on his face and got benched for it...shut up and do your job!

 

[MikeSr619]

the reason Luck isn't in the news is because nobody cares about what he does. RG III is charismatic..he isn't using it for bad things though.

 

[fansince62]

Well, be more like his counterpart in Indy and pretty much keep his mouth shut and do his talking on the field?

I know we live in the 21st century world of social media, but after the season he pulled off last year when he was so adamant about his ability to come back, then fell flat on his face and got benched for it...shut up and do your job!

El....Luck talks plenty off the field. the QB is supposed to be the leader. shutting up doesn't get him to that point. it's more than just on the field performance.

As an individual...he knows dang well the NFL would can him in a second if he were injured or performance dropped consistently. he's capitalizing on his moment. setting himself up for a big payoff at contract time. I can't fault him one iota. I don't see anything really destructive in what he is doing. he seems to know what all his teammates are doing. keeps in touch with them. I don't hear any sniping abt RG from other players.

So, I agree a factor in all of this is on-the-field performance. new team? new HC? new staff? new scheme? let's see what happens before judging before the fact.

 

[tshile]

Well, be more like his counterpart in Indy and pretty much keep his mouth shut and do his talking on the field?

I know we live in the 21st century world of social media, but after the season he pulled off last year when he was so adamant about his ability to come back, then fell flat on his face and got benched for it...shut up and do your job!

While I enjoyed Fansince62's take, and it actually reassured me that I'm likely over reacting by even caring much less not liking this stuff, this post here is basically what it comes down to for me.

It feels like to me the people that do a lot of talking seldom actually produce results. It's a feeling I have after watching sports for my entire life. Your team has preseason hype? Probably not going to win the championship. Your team talking real loud and puffing their chest out off the field? Probably getting beat when the game starts.

Whether or not that's true, or how often it is true, is irrelevant to me - it's a feeling I've formed based on what I've seen.

The biggest talkers tend to fold the most when it matters the most, and right now our team is doing a whole heck of a lot of talking coming off a 3-13 season where the coaching staff was cleaned out.

I still have high hopes for this season... i honestly think we should win the division and put up double digit wins, and if we don't then there's a problem somewhere. But I do not like this stuff at all. Not one bit. How about we build a team that can post double digit wins back to back for once before we start getting all crazy with the PR and the woofing...

That's a remarkably low bar, and yet somehow we've managed to fall short of it time and time again in the last 20 years.

 

[fansince62]

It feels like to me the people that do a lot of talking seldom actually produce results.

- like Sherman?

- like LT?

- like Irving?

I could bring up dozens of talkers in multiple sports.

the key is what they are talking about. I challenge anyone to produce evidence of anything controversial RGIII has posted or quoted. he's simply adapted to his context.

Mike is right: too many folks get bored during off-season and search out things to get riled about. this aint one of them!!!

 

[tshile]

El....Luck talks plenty off the field. the QB is supposed to be the leader. shutting up doesn't get him to that point. it's more than just on the field performance.

As an individual...he knows dang well the NFL would can him in a second if he were injured or performance dropped consistently. he's capitalizing on his moment. setting himself up for a big payoff at contract time. I can't fault him one iota. I don't see anything really destructive in what he is doing. he seems to know what all his teammates are doing. keeps in touch with them. I don't hear any sniping abt RG from other players.

So, I agree a factor in all of this is on-the-field performance. new team? new HC? new staff? new scheme? let's see what happens before judging before the fact.

You're likely right.

But most of us have observed a culture problem with this team since Snyder has taken over. And the off the field stuff we've been seeing this offseason (the shots at the outgoing coaching staff, the chest puffing, the hype) all are reminiscent of a franchise that's been culturally bankrupt off the field for a long time.

It sets alarms off in my head. I can't do anything about it, regardless of whether it's justified now or not :\

 

[tshile]

- like Sherman?

- like LT?

- like Irving?

I could bring up dozens of talkers in multiple sports.

the key is what they are talking about. I challenge anyone to produce evidence of anything controversial RGIII has posted or quoted. he's simply adapted to his context.

Mike is right: too many folks get bored during off-season and search out things to get riled about. this aint one of them!!!

I don't recall any of them doing what Griffin has done in the off season since entering the league. But maybe that's because I follow the redskins super closely and don't follow the rest of the league.

 

[fansince62]

I don't recall any of them doing what Griffin has done in the off season since entering the league. But maybe that's because I follow the redskins super closely and don't follow the rest of the league.

but that's not what you posted. you posted that people who talk a lot seldom produce. there were no qualifications.

let's get to the nub of it: is RGIII a team guy or not? either one believes he is or he isn't.

I vote yes. he'll be just fine. this team is going to excel over time with RGIII behind center.

 

[Ax]

 

[MikeSr619]

I never liked Ali..

 

[Boone]

the reason Luck isn't in the news is because nobody cares about what he does. RG III is charismatic..he isn't using it for bad things though.

Are you kidding me - I don't think you could be more wrong on Luck! The difference is, when Luck is in the news it's because of what he's accomplishing on the field and with his team. Griffin's 'celebrity' is all driven by his individual need for the spotlight. That may not be his intent, but Griffin has allowed his celebrity to become a distraction at times IMHO. He could learn a thing or two from Luck. Now if Griffin delivers on the field, just like we saw with Ali, all of his egocentrism becomes charming.

 

[tshile]

but that's not what you posted. you posted that people who talk a lot seldom produce. there were no qualifications.

let's get to the nub of it: is RGIII a team guy or not? either one believes he is or he isn't.

I vote yes. he'll be just fine. this team is going to excel over time with RGIII behind center.

I think he's a team guy, as long as being a team guy serves his purpose.

 

[MikeSr619]

Are you kidding me - I don't think you could be more wrong on Luck! The difference is, when Luck is in the news it's because of what he's accomplishing on the field and with his team. Griffin's 'celebrity' is all driven by his individual need for the spotlight. That may not be his intent, but Griffin has allowed his celebrity to become a distraction at times IMHO. He could learn a thing or two from Luck. Now if Griffin delivers on the field, just like we saw with Ali, all of his egocentrism becomes charming.

I'm actually not kidding you, believe it or not. He is a nasally spoken person who has this goofy grin on his face that comes across as dumb on camera. There is nothing enticing or attractive about watching Andrew Luck speak. When it comes to highlights, sure, the kid has a great amount of knowledge when it comes to the game. But when it comes to anything else he fails miserably when it comes to RG III.

Comparing ANY sport in Indy to the DC area also can contribute to why Griffin is in the news so much. Outside of the Indy500 and Final Four there is no sporting event that compares to a sold out Redskins game..the media knows it, the fans know it..everyone knows it. And who is the leader on this team? Griffin. After his amazing 2012 record breaking season he is put in the spotlight.

This is the offseason...does he even have the playbook yet? Hes holding practices like he should, training like he should, meeting up with DeSean like he should. Why does it matter if he has some fun? The kid is doing his job...if ALL he did was business, business, business he wouldn't be the flashy superstar that we knew we were getting when we drafted him.

Too many fans like the product in the window but then want to completely change it and make it in to something that it's not. Why would Griffin suddenly stop being who he has been ever since he was a kid? Because fans don't "like" what he is doing? He isn't failing as a QB, he isn't doing all of these promotional things and tours while the season is going. So why have him stop during his vacation/off season?

 

[fansince62]

Are you kidding me - I don't think you could be more wrong on Luck! The difference is, when Luck is in the news it's because of what he's accomplishing on the field and with his team. Griffin's 'celebrity' is all driven by his individual need for the spotlight. That may not be his intent, but Griffin has allowed his celebrity to become a distraction at times IMHO. He could learn a thing or two from Luck. Now if Griffin delivers on the field, just like we saw with Ali, all of his egocentrism becomes charming.

how is it ego-centric?

another look at it: maybe Luck doesn't have the charisma...and tucked away in Indianapolis the market.... to make a splash in the first place.

RGIII aint signing gang stuff, getting busted for DUIs, fathering children left and right, popping positive on drug tests, sleeping through meetings, dancing a victory dance after every run, pushing divisive political causes, skipping voluntary work-outs, dissing teammates, screaming "pay me or I'm outta here" (not yet on that one anyways ), driving 40 mis over the speed limit, shooting guns off in bars, quitting on the field, trailed by his agent everywhere he goes, dissing other teams or players, yelling at teammates on the sidelines, having his wife mouth off in the media (his dad...well...different story), wearing eccentric or "look at me" clothes when on the road, popping up on national media shows every other day......

marketing a logo, tweeting and being accessible to the media? that's it? really?

 

[fansince62]

I think he's a team guy, as long as being a team guy serves his purpose.

well...one can say that about anyone in just about any field.

suppose one purpose is to win a superbowl.