Because Quinn drafted Daniels with a plan to change him to fit what he wants instead of Daniels using his current skillset.
If this is true, Dan is double stupid because he also hired an OC which would in theory maximize Daniel's current skillset and not one who would help him develop into a different mold.
Now, Daniels is capable. But from year 1 to 2 making a drastic change is crazy. The guy has played in a spread gun offense his entire career and used his legs an astronomically high amount… and now they want him to use his legs less and stay under center.
I'm not sure exactly what you are saying, because this is going from Year 2 to Year 3. From year 1 to year 2, there was essentially no change.
Which, okay… but we didn’t have the matching personnel to do that. Playaction isn’t really a threat because our backs don’t create.
People will fall out of their seats as I say this, but PFF has doe a lot of analytic work essentially debunking the theory you have to actually have a good running game for PA to work. The key for PA to work is the OL selling the run look to the defense after the snap and play design. Even before I started accepting PFF as a credible source of things, this has actually made sense to me. WHY our PA didn't work, I'm not sure. I think it could be design, it could be the OL didn't sell it, or the OL wasn't coached to sell it, and then sure, throw in the RBs weren't scaring anybody.
Going under and more action makes sense in theory but we need a back to sell that that can create and has vision to go along with the other guys and Jayden needs some time to get used to it.
I think it's more OL than RB, though RB is not inconsequential.
Reading a defense from under center is a lot harder than from gun.
So, I'm not sure that's entirely 100% true for every QB. At least Aikman and Montana preferred under center than gun, one of the reasons Montana wasn't in gun much (if at all), because he didn't like taking his eyes off the defense to watch the ball into his hands.
Aikman also said one of the hardest things for him to develop (so this supports your statement) was to carry out a fake and turn his back on the defense and then spin back around and find where everybody is quickly. THAT is really difficult.
But there are QBs who preferred under center without play action because they could keep their eyes on the defense as they performed their drop.
I guess my overall point is I think different QBs, probably based on the way they learned, can be comfortable with different styles.
It’s not impossible, and Jayden is smart so he’ll get it. But he’s never done it. With an OV who has never coached it, really. With a QB coach who was brought in because his last name is Williams with an OL coach that was the assistant last year.
This is for a different thread, I don't think our QB coach was brought in because he was a Williams. Snyder would have done that, I don't think this group would, and I think it's a little demeaning to an extremely well respected coach to bring it up.
You have a point on the inexperience of the OC and OL coach.
They are taking Jayden’s traits that we really should have drafted him for and trying to make him not use them.
This was my point, if they're going to try and make Daniels into Maye, they should have drafted Maye.
If this doesn’t work, Quinn needs to go.
Agree. And maybe Peters to for allowing it to happen? Maybe not. But Peters runs football ops, and at the end of the day, he's responsible.
1. He hired Quinn. Top choice, second choice or third choice doesn't really matter. If he wanted one of the other coaches and didn't get him, then that's somewhat on him also.
2. He drafted Daniels. If he did that knowing Quinn was going to try and force a round peg into a square hole, that's somewhat on him.
3. He allowed Quinn to hire an OC with what appears to be a different style than what the organization (Quinn or Peters) wants to run, HOWEVER which does make use of the skills of the QB they drafted.
4. He's allowing Quinn to essentially re-set the entire philosophy, offense and defense, in year 3.
If this all goes haywire and doesn't work, I blame Peters more for allowing these sort of criss cross things to happen more than any personnel stuff.
If it does, he may be coach of the year.
Depending on how well it works out. It MIGHT be a work in progress. So, it might not all click right away. But you could see a change and improvement from 2025. The question is, will it get to the level of 2024, at least offensively. I know it was more than a year ago, but the offense was HUMMING towards the end of 2024 after Daniels' ribs recovered and he could practice again. Are we expecting that level of execution right out of the gate?
That could be the expectation, I'm not sure how reasonable it is.
We are. It's going to be really fascinating.
FWIW, if I was in Quinn's position, I probably wouldn't have done what he did on offense. I would have kept Kliff, probably just gone all-in on that style of offense for one more year, worked with Peters on making sure they had the right weapons, and run it back. Rather than trying to re-do the entire thing.
However, I would have completely re-done the defensive side, similar to what he is doing.
I wouldn't have tried to do both at the same time in year 3.
If you can fix the defense and get the offense back to 2024 level, which this QB/OC combination did, and you want to change after that, fine. But it's a huge risk to re-do both sides of the ball at the same time.
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