I actually had the same thought either at the same time or before Galdi. I was like, "Moron Idiot Jay Gruden could pull off a win from time to time short handed, why can't you?"To me injuries were like 75% of the problem but Quinn didn't do himself any favors in the process. As you pointed out, I presume echoing Al Galdi because its been his mantra, pull off some upset at least once. And he couldn't. I think camp felt like one long walk through to ensure the team is rested for the playoff run.
This is my biggest criticism of Quinn. It was also of my biggest criticisms of moron Jay Gruden. They NEVER had their team prepped and ready to play early in the season. Jay only won one opener, 2018 against the Cardinals (the Alex Smith year), and then they turned around and lost week 2.They were according to Pats beat guys, getting destroyed by the Pats in the practice scrimmage then got destroyed in the preseason game. The whole preseason-summer came off like a lackluster, uninspired effort. And for those who covered that camp, who also covered Jay, they basically depicted that camp as the easiest they've seen -- easier than camp Jay.
The treatment of the off-season was just wrong. Quinn needs to fix that. We don't need the junction boys or anything, but we need something which is better than we had.Quinn said he learned hundreds of things as to what to do differently from 2025. That's good. Also Keim said privately Quinn isn't excusing the season to injuries, he knows they made mistakes. Good, too.
Now, lets see what he does with this? Heck even the injury issue is worth exploring. The Packers said they play their guys in the preseason because of studies they've seen that if you don't, you are more vulnerable to early season injuries.
I know Quinn isn't the only coach who treats the preseason and camp like a joke. But for a team with so many new moving parts who needed to adjust to the scheme, new teammates, etc, maybe he shouldn't have?"
I fully recall Darnold and was with you on him. I forgot all about the Rosen saga lolHim and Rosen lol, I am sure you recall I beat up. Some forgot about Rosen but I was just as harsh but he dissapeared so it became irrelevant and Darnold stuck around.
Things could ALWAYS be worse. Everyone pulling out of the Browns job.
I tend to agree.Yeah VOR, the Seattle coaching staff has done a damn good job with Darnold. KOC worked wonders with him, too. I suspect he finally got solid coaching and development after hitting SF, MN and Seattle. I'm happy for him. Imagine if he actually wins a SB. That's something hard to imagine 5, 6 years ago.
As for DQ, poor decisions often have a way of coming back to bite. Here's hoping we're on much better footing moving forward.
There's a big article on Vrabel on ESPN talking about how he is a CEO style.It’s pretty frustrating watching us seemingly struggle to hire a qualified, experienced DC to run things while we have Quinn in the building who should be doing it, while mentoring younger in-name-only-DC’s into either eventually playcalling at that position, or into HC hires around the league after we have an elite D. That’s what we expect from elite offensive HC’s around the league so isn’t it silly to hold defensive guys to a different standard?
Macdonald is gameplanning and calling the plays while leading the Seahawks to a Super Bowl appearance. Doesn’t seem to be too much for him, and he knows that’s what makes him special and that it’s what qualified him to lead a team in the first place. And he’s so good that we want his Defensive Passing Game Coordinator (who didn’t call plays or run the D) to be our DC now, because that brush with Macdonald and time under him is valuable.
Who says that about Quinn assistants? Nobody, because he isn’t running his own unit or developing potential future stud DC’s.
Robert Saleh, upon getting his second (and likely final) HC opportunity with the Titans recently, said one of his lessons learned was that he needs to be calling his plays and running his defense, not entrusting it to someone else. It’s what makes him special.
I tend to agree.
We can definitely hope, but the signs on DQ just aren’t encouraging. Trends matter and if you follow the messaging of Macdonald and DQ, you can see differences in quality.
There's a big article on Vrabel on ESPN talking about how he is a CEO style.
Granted, a lot of the article is the typical fluff piece when a coach has success, but you CAN look at the hard data/hints and get some good info still.![]()
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He does what I thought DQ was going to do. That is a style that works, and it's not a bad style at all frankly. The key requirement is your hiring ability has to be good - that is a skill that not everyone has. Hiring isn't just about finding "talented people" but you have to either establish your culture and find fit, or you have to go the other way - find the talent and make sure the culture works for them. Sometimes you bend "culture" just a bit to make sure talented people are happy.
DQ so far has been unsuccessful here at hiring, and for a CEO style coach? That's a death knell. As we have all said, he simply has no wiggle room anymore. He may not have to get these picks perfect, but the structure has to be right at the very least. I think he hired guys he was comfortable with but he didn't set up the structure he wanted, and that's why we are where we are today. We've heard many of the reporters talk about DQ's desire for collaborative coaching, but there are many indications he didn't have that in DQ v1.0 here. That's not OK; that's a failure in hiring. DQ v2.0, regardless of anything else, has to feature the aspects he wants. He has to make sure that happens. CEO style coaches can only thrive covering those bases, and he did a really bad job of it in v1.0 by all accounts.
Personally, I am not sure how smart DQ actually is, here.My post was about—what does QUINN bring to the table as a CEO HC that’s so special, as our sample size keeps growing?
Dan Campbell doesn't call plays.
Mike Vrabel doesn't call plays.
Nick Sirianni doesn't call plays.
John Harbaugh doesn't call plays.
Sean McDermott didn't call plays.
Based on what? What's the difference between Quinn and Campbell or Vrabel, as a leader, specifically? What do they do or don't do that makes them better than Quinn? Ben Johnson going back because he's an asshole? Good data point.Quinn isn’t <<insert coach here>> as a leader
Did I? Because all you said was a blanket statement without any real corroboration other than your opinion. How many people and coaches have openly said they'd sign up go work for Quinn? He has a sterling reputation across the league as a leader.Thanks for the post, though. I think it helps illustrate quite nicely how we seem to have basically the worst version of “CEO HC” across the league
Based on what? What's the difference between Quinn and Campbell or Vrabel, as a leader, specifically? What do they do or don't do that makes them better than Quinn?
Ben Johnson going back because he's an asshole? Good data point.
How many people and coaches have openly said they'd sign up go work for Quinn? He has a sterling reputation across the league as a leader.
Campbell started calling plays this year. I think because the offense was busted and he was trying to fix it.Dan Campbell doesn't call plays.
Mike Vrabel doesn't call plays.
Nick Sirianni doesn't call plays.
John Harbaugh doesn't call plays.
Sean McDermott didn't call plays.
Right, my point was these are all successful coaches who don't call plays on either side of the ball. Campbell, like Quinn, took play calling back when he saw it wasn't working anymore.Campbell started calling plays this year. I think because the offense was busted and he was trying to fix it.
Sirianni did call plays when he was hired, then he turned over play calling.
Specifically, I get this point. But Campbell has hired one dud as OC, with a very middling hire this time in Peltzer, but he's touted as a great leader because...Johnson went back? Was he on anyone else's radar? There are SO many open positions, the talent pool feels diluted right now, especially on the offensive side of the ball. I think we were caught off guard as to the number of open positions.It is disappointing Quinn hasn't been able to upgrade the staff given his reputation in the league.