The 2025 Free Agency Thread

We should do what the Chiefs did and sign him to a 10 year deal and convert cap hits to bonuses to save cap space every time we should get smacked.

I am being partially sarcastic.

So broken of KC to do that, they should be hamstrung by his contract, instead a QB who might 3 peat and have 4 rings is making 12th highest APY in the league. Ridiculous. It's part of what makes me not want to watch the Super Bowl this year, that right when the cap might have become a problem for them BOOM here's an extra 21M in cap space, go buy another championship.

Where's John Mara when the league actually needs him?
 
as for RB . . . i really like the RB out of Tennessee, Dylan Sampson. Extremely explosive and fast with good size, power and vision. Not a polished blocker in the passing game, but has good hands. He may be the next Alvin Kamara as he is smooth, fast and agile!
 
What I saw from Jayden Daniels against the Eagles in NFCC just solidifies to me that he is the real deal. Any time his teammates weren't fumbling the ball or being an open gate to the Eagles pass rush, Daniels wasn't having an issue carving up that top defense. I think that's truly what stung the most seeing the game slowly get away from them and eventually out of hand, the fact that the first handful of drives on offense had them looking plenty capable they just kept handing the ball back.

As far as where the team goes from here, if I am AP I am looking at any player he doesn't see as a core player (but still has value to other teams) and look to move them to get draft picks. Looking at AP's track record from before he got here and his first offseason here, we are going to build through the draft and use FA more as putting finishing touches on a team that is already ready to contend. In the salary cap era you pretty much need to build your core but then also continually draft young players behind them to develop so that when your current crop of players become too expensive to retain, you aren't taking huge steps backwards necessarily. This is part of what sustained winning is versus going all in for a push for a season or two. I have no issue addressing some needs through FA, but I feel like a lot of the times with free agency you are getting diminishing returns unless those free agents are joining an already really good team versus being signed to make the team good.
 
I continue to look for 25-28 year old free agents who are still in prime years before the draft.

After the draft we can sign guys based on need alone and as gap fillers for 2025.

I would stay away from the Tee Higgins type of player who wants a top 3 deal and like OBJ will ultimately be on 3 or 4 teams during his career.
 
I think if this team didn't have so many needs to address, I'd be down for Tee Higgins, but I am not sure if the kind of contract he would demand is worth it versus focusing on several upgrades for now and then maybe in the following offseason you look for some of that blue chip level on the FA market.
 
I agree, NoCal. All year, the offense wasn't really the issue. The receivers were effective. I do think better receivers might produce better results, but I think you get better bang for the buck by giving Daniels an extra second or two in the pocket with improved o linemen. Likewise, getting someone with better ability to seal the edge on D or pressure sack QBs to force more punts and turnovers might be of more worth.

It would be nice to improve our weapons, but I'm not sure that's where we should focus first. The sexiest position is not always the most important position.
 
LT Alaric Jackson would be a great get. Draft a RT in the first, Coleman could be moved to LG and Allegretti to RG while Cosmi is out.

Higgins is a beast, but I think Godwin may be the better value/fit for us. We could get Godwin and another decent WR vet for the price of Higgins.

CB C Ward would be huge for our secondary.

Would rather them address DE in round 2 than free agency.

With LT Jackson/WR Godwin/CB Ward, and RD 1 RT and RD 2 DE, we could go rest of draft and value signings in FA to address DT, RB, pass catcher, etc. I'm hoping they re-sign Wagner, Fowler, and Chinn, among a few others.

I think that would be a dangerous team. But Peters is amazing and I have no doubt whatever moves he makes will improve the team. If he was able to convince good players/people to sign with us last year, the sales pitch will be a lot easier this off-season.
 
As far as where the team goes from here, if I am AP I am looking at any player he doesn't see as a core player (but still has value to other teams) and look to move them to get draft picks.

I concur with your post by-and-large, and quoted this to kind of dig into it. I'm not sure how many players really fall into this category.

Free Agents by year post 2025:

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2028 is just the 2024 draft class, and 2029 is just Sam Cosmi.

For 2026 FAs, Terry would have value but he is a core player. Wylie, Ekeler, Reaves are too old to hold much value. BRob could have had some late round value IF this draft was bad for RBs, but it's great, so no one is gonna take him. Everyone below that I don't think has any real trade value. It's basically just Allen who might actually have some value.

For 2027 FAs, I think Payne, Luvu, Biadasz could carry some trade value above a 6th, BUT I think Luvu and Biadasz are locked in as core players.

So it's basically just Allen and Payne as possible options to move for value, unless we're talking about like, maybe getting a 6th for Quan (and I think Quan sticks even if he isn't a "core" player).

I do think if you're AP you shop them both and see what you can get. While conventional wisdom says move Allen, keep Payne bc he's younger, and also Allen had an injury, but that also may mean Allen isn't gonna get much value back, plus it's a one year rental b4 you gotta pay him again. So maybe instead you're moving Payne? What does he fetch? A 3rd?

And if you do move Payne or Allen, where does the unit go in '25 and beyond? Presumably we'd bring in someone from FA who costs a lot less than either of them. I saw the name Osa Odighizuwa mentioned. I'd like to kick the tires on Poona Ford for the run game. If you do that and moved Allen, you got 2 years to figure out what to do once Payne's deal expires. Maybe we just extend him; he'll only be 30 when it expires, so if he looks capable of play thru 32-33, maybe just give him a few more years at potentially a reduced rate.

If instead you move Payne, you've got a bit more urgency to get something done. Allen will be 31 and done after '25. So unless you bring in 2 FAs or draft someone high, you're gonna have Newton and, again assuming we add someone in FA, that FA, and you're gonna have to go back to the well.

Part of me is just in the "F it we ball, blow it up" mindset where we move BOTH and replace them with Osa and Poona and roll with Newton/Osa/Poona. But that might be too wacky, and I dunno if that's going to create some culture issues.
 
I don’t see Godwin leaving Tampa. Seems like a Bucs lifer.

I do expect Charvarius Ward and the Cowboys DT.
 
I'd be looking for DL in FA first and then DL in the draft first. Then OL. If an OL drops and is considered much better than the best DL then draft him first.

JD just had the best rookie season in NFL history with McLaurin and a bunch of dudes who would get almost no playing time on any other playoff team. He's already doing Mahomes stuff so I'd let him keep doing it.

Short of getting the next Barkley, offensive playmakers are going to provide diminishing returns compared to dudes on the DL that should force a couple more 3 and outs a game. I mean it's hard to beat 0-1 punts in most games. We rarely ever punted but neither did our good opponents.
 
I am not sure if Noah Brown will be back, but I think he was actually pretty reliable when he was healthy and those kinds of signings are an example of not having to always go after the splashy big names and more find the players who exhibit the traits you feel are needed on the team. Terry re-established himself as a true #1 this season and he likely has a couple seasons left at this level before you need to either draft or sign a difference maker at WR to replace him.

I think RB is the area where they need to attack on all cylinders in upgrading. There is no one in the current group that is a feature back. I know the O-line wasn't always the best at run-blocking this season but on the flip side there were also plenty of times where BRob had lanes and he didn't show much ability to cut back and/or lacked the vision and burst to take advantage. I know finding a Saquon Barkley caliber RB is not realistic (you never truly know who will turn out that good beforehand) but we need some homerun ability to hand the ball off too. I saw so many times during our games with the Eagles where it looked like the D-line or LBs were going to make a stop for a short gain but Barkley could turn on the jets so suddenly that plays that looked like they were setup for losses turned into big gains.
 
I think if this team didn't have so many needs to address, I'd be down for Tee Higgins, but I am not sure if the kind of contract he would demand is worth it versus focusing on several upgrades for now and then maybe in the following offseason you look for some of that blue chip level on the FA market.

Yes

And you also need to consider what it would cost to get a near end of career, but still good vet WR.... Davonte, Diggs (depends on head case concerns), Allen type

Guys in their stage often care much more about playing with a good QB on a good team and provide high value per $$.

WR is now the second most expensive position in the NFL.... we aren't yet at the point where we can afford to drop $35M+/yr for a FA WR.
 
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What would a price point be where you'd entertain Higgins? There really aren't that many WRs getting 30M. I was thinking like 27m maybe. Top of the market for the year, but like 10th highest APY which kinda feels rightish for the circumstances? Like he's not gonna set the market like a Justin Jefferson/CeeDee/JaMarr would.
 
I think with safety, outside of depth, I probably just re-sign Chinn and roll with Chinn and Quan. There are too many holes to spend a lot of resources there when we can probably get B to B+ play out of the two of them.

I really hope Lattimore is back to form, because Lattimore/Sanristil is a decent 1/2 and then it's just a question of if you want to re-sign Noah or BSJ or look outside for our 3/4/etc.

Legion of Boom it is not, but Lattimore/Chinn/Quan/Sanristil as a top 4 in the secondary is a unit that can work. Then we can focus on the front 7.

If Lattimore isn't back to form, we have bigger problems, but we probably won't know until camp at the earliest, or the season at worst, and by then it's probably too late. So I'm just penciling in Lattimore as CB1 and calling that a day.

The more I look at our situation the more I feel like Allen might get cut. Payne is younger so he might be kept, but you can't have that much money tied up in that unit for the production it made. I wonder how much Poona Ford would cost, he graded well in run defense, so he's an interesting option.

I saw a report tying us to Osa O. from Dallas for DLine, but his run defense grade is pretty bad. If we added Osa and Poona we probably have a pretty complete unit, in the aggregate at least.

We need to sign an outside CB, at the very least because Lattimore won’t play 17 games next year. Let Sainristil play outside in 2 CB sets and the slot in 3 CB sets
 
Lets do something different in this thread. Give me 5 guys you are looking at as value FAs who would sign 1-2 year deals and surprise in value (don’t give me any big names). My 5:

Will Hernandez, G - After being a bust in NY, he became a top 20 guard in AZ and then tore his ACL earlier this season amidst his best season. Was with Kliff in AZ in 2022

Paulson Adebo, CB - Next CB taken after BSJ in the 2021 draft. Advanced stats like him and he gets picks. Had a PI problem this year. Was set to cash in but he broke his tibia and is likely looking at a prove it deal

Morgan Moses, T - You guys know the deal with him. Chronically underrated player. His play is starting to fall off a bit but he did have a solid year in NY. Does he have 1 more year in him? Signing him allows us to cut Wylie or move him inside

Malcolm Koonce, EDGE - Had a big second half in 2023 (8 sacks in final 9 games) and then tore his ACL in preseason. Another guy who was going to get a big long term deal if he performed similar to the second half of 2023.

Jed Wills Jr - Former top 10 pick who was a solid LT early in his career. Tore his knee up in 2023 and hasn’t been the same since. Got benched this year. Perhaps a bounceback guy but maybe a guy you move inside to guard.
 
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Jarren Reed- helps our run defense

WR Marquise Brown, Kansas City Chiefs- could be a good no. 2

CB Nate Hobbs, Las Vegas Raiders-Nice depth at Cb

Morgan Moses- protect Daniels- makes Wylie a starting guard and good depth

T Jedrick Wills, Cleveland Browns- See above




Think good argument against Higgins- Godwin, a person worth looking at


This is a good list. Reed generated a lot of interior pressure. I remember Seattle used him as a big DE to set an edge earlier in his career.

I’ve thought about Hollywood. He is interesting. Would give us the gamechanging speed we need and he was with Kliff. Is it an issue he can’t really run block?

Nate Hobbs is very underrated. One of the best slot CBs in the league but with outside CB size and traits (maybe not ideal speed)
 
The knock on Marquise Brown has always been that he is thin and dangerous but fragile.
Maybe they could bring him in at a decent cost but he isn't the bigger physical guy, that's for sure.
 

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