The 2025 Draft Thread


Apparently, it was just a patellar tendon after all. Simmons says he’s going to be able to work out for teams before the draft. This is my OT1, I think. I’d be ecstatic if he fell to 29.
 
I 100% agree with this. Two factors I struggle with though are prioritization and… I’m not quite sure what to call it, but maybe causation?
Prioritization as in - do we put DL and OL upgrades, as well as corner (we could use a starter and we have to improve our depth) over weapons? In other words, does improving our run game/pass pro/defense help Daniels more than improving our weapons?

“Causation” - did Daniels scramble so much because our receivers weren’t winning quickly or more so because of a middling OL? Did our ground game struggle because defenses didn’t need to respect our weapons (sans Terry) and could load the box? Was it more a product of deficiencies on the OL, or sub par running backs? Did our run D suck because we had to manufacture a pass rush, while protecting our secondary, leaving us more susceptible to the run?

And of course, that’s leaving off schematic stuff (and lots of other nuance). Point being, I have a lot of questions. On the bright side, our FO and coaches probably know the answers to those questions, and the bottom line solution is to just try to get better everywhere we can. It’s a breath of fresh air having faith in this group to be able to do just that (or at least make significant strides in that direction).
I just don't see the FO ruling anything out and Deebo is good, but definitely not over looking talent good. That's kind of my point.

Was DT more important than OT or CB or was the DT that was available far better than the OTs or CBs that were there?

Was TE actually more important than LT? Of course not, they just felt that Sinnott was better than the other tackles at that spot.
 
I do. We arent picking a WR. We will definitely bring some in as Unresticted FA's though. We are going veteran at WR. Which makes sense with a young QB. Clearly Peters didnt value a first rounder at WR this year. And I dont blame him. RB, DT, T and Edge are far better first round picks this year.
I’m not sure. If Golden was there at #29 I’d sprint to the podium with the pick. I see Deebo as the #3/slot guy mainly. He’s also on a one year deal and I would t extend him until I see what he has left and if he buys in.

I’d like to see us add someone younger with speed as the #2.
 
If Simmons is healthy. I doubt he's dropping anywhere near to 29. I am intrigured by the dude who replaced him, Donovan Jackson. He looked to me like he can play LT. He actually has longer arms and wingspan than Simmons.

He IMO anchors well, improved as the season progressed, good run blocker. I maybe slightly prefer Conerly if we are talking pure LT. But at a minimum if Jackson isn't the dude at tackle, he should be a really good guard.


 
Looks like Ebuka ran a 4.3. That might mean he doesn't fall to us. I wonder how much that does to his draft stock?
 
Yeah Egbuka did not run. NFLdraftbuzz estimates his 40 as a 4.3 but obviously that could be wildly off.

Hoping he runs at his pro-day.
 
A lot of talk here about Tuten and Henderson, and rightly so, but Judkins and Hampton really confirmed positive priors about them. I'd be very happy with either of them, though I suspect that Hampton might not make it to 29 and Judkins, while we might be there at 29, is almost certainly not there at 61.

But both of those dudes feel like potential future feature backs.
 


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Putting together a spreadsheet to track measurables, anything I'm missing here I should have?

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Control info coming from: https://landryfootball.com/receiver-evaluation-criteria/

And for grades:

BOA (BOY in chart) 20 w/ Dominator 25%+ at major conference
BOA 18-19 w/ Dominator over 40% at smaller school
(Dominator % from https://www.playerprofiler.com/position/wide-receiver/ I have to cross-check Break out Age/Year tho)

For RAS
Below 5 is below avg
5-8 average
8+ Elite

For Athletic Score
90+ Elite
75-89 Good
60-74 Average
59 or Below Below Average

Prospect Grade
8 Perfect
7.3-7.5 All Pro
7.0-7.1 Pro Bowler
6.7-6.9 Yr1 Starter
6.5-6.6 Boom/Bust
6.4-6.49 Starter w/in 2 years
6.3-6.39 Eventually good starter
6.2-6.29 Eventually avg starter
6.1-6.19 Good backup/low starter
6.0-6.09 Good backup
5.8-5.99 Avg Backup/Spl Teamer
5.6-5.69 Bottom roster/PS
5.5-5.59 UDFA/PS

NextGenStats
90+ Elite
70-89 Good
60-69 Avg
50-59 Below Avg
 
A lot of talk here about Tuten and Henderson, and rightly so, but Judkins and Hampton really confirmed positive priors about them. I'd be very happy with either of them, though I suspect that Hampton might not make it to 29 and Judkins, while we might be there at 29, is almost certainly not there at 61.

But both of those dudes feel like potential future feature backs.

Yeah I've talked some about Hampton. Love the player. I'd take him at 29 if he falls that far but I doubt he does and I am guessing this team doesn't go RB in the first regardless.

Judkins is a good player. Better arguably at Ole Miss than he was at Ohio State. But brings power and enough speed.

Depends on what this team is shopping for. If its for a homerun type RB -- that wouldn't be Judkins. That would be a Henderson or a Tuten or a Sampson.

In the third round range IMO: Harvey and Giddens while not quite homerun hitters in the pros in all likelihood, they are close enough. Giddens when I watched him was more east-west, stop and go. But with how he ran, clearly he can take it to the house.

I still like Kaleb Johnson inspite of his pedestrian speed. He's in that Judkins mode of a RB, power with some breakaway ability.

Skattebo to me is a wildcard. I suspect the team either loves him or he's off their board. I can see either argument. I suspect that that they like him -- if Quinn wants players who are violent and can make plays in space as he's mentioned. This dude fits that. Imagine having to tackle Skattebo and Deebo in a game. Defenses should be worn down in the 4th quarter.

Then you got some of these backs which I find medium types. Not fast. Not powerful. But well rounded. Neal, Jordan James, Marks.

Pass catchers: L. Allen, B, Smith.

There are others too but those are the ones I've watched some.

I am guessing the earliest they go RB is late 2nd. And by then Hampton, Judkins, Kaleb, Treveyon are gone. And the decision is do you go for Sampson, Skattebo (depending on his pro day run) who are likely gone by the mid 3rd. I get both are often still there in mocks. But I am with Mcshay on the thought that too many teams need RBs and the run happens in the 2nd and early third. Tuten is a wild card. I can see him going in the 2nd but also can see him going later. But I can see a team obsessed with speed pouncing.

If we wait to the third and it goes down the way I project, I'd be happy with Giddens and Harvey and Tuten assuming that they are there. Wonder if Etienne creeps up into this category -- good combine showcasing plenty of speed.

I know i am supposed to love Jordan James because so many draft geeks love him albiet PFF does not. I have to watch him more. But watching him what goes through my mind is very SOLID. I just have a hard time getting excited with solid. I like Neal a little bit more than James but they are of that same brand. Ditto Woddy Marks who I notice doesn't get much love. To me he's in the same tier of these two. Really solid -- high floor with good hands but judging by mocks i am guessing he goes super late or even undrafted.
 
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