The 2025 Draft Thread

[Hail Raiser]

The entire NFC East had great drafts. Going to be a vicious division this year.

 

[skinsinparadise]

The entire NFC East had great drafts. Going to be a vicious division this year.

Without a QB, I don't think the Giants are a threat. But that D line now is insane, best in the league.

 

[RandyHolt]

We brought 5 a ton last year. I wonder if that will be the plan even more this year sans an elite edge.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I don't know how to watch one single highlight like this and not believe that he is going displace Brian Robinson. Apparently also a solid pass protector, so there isn't a barrier to playing time. And it's not like Robinson is some great receiver.

Does Brian Robinson make this safety miss?

 

[Hail Raiser]

Without a QB, I don't think the Giants are a threat. But that D line now is insane, best in the league.

I liked their draft, but it's still a clown organization. Them trading up for Dart was accidentally on instagram before it happened. Schoens daughter leaked Sanders number to frat boys that pranked him like assholes.

I like the players they got, but not the way they're building their team. They could have really improved their offense, which is the problem, but didn't.

Whoever their HC and GM are next season will be happy.

 

[The Chump Bailey]

Everyone was banging the table for an edge and we did not address that position at all. This leads me to assume two things. First that they are content with who we have for now and possibly that next year's draft class has strong opportunities. I don't know I don't have a clue

I'm baffled too. Not even a UDFA addition there but I do like DT Ricky Barber. All indications leading up to the draft were that Edge was a priority. That's the only conclusion we can draw as you said, they must be content with what they have.

 

[burgold]

I'm baffled too. Not even a UDFA addition there but I do like DT Ricky Barber. All indications leading up to the draft were that Edge was a priority. That's the only conclusion we can draw as you said, they must be content with what they have.

... or they are just super dedicated to the BPA philosophy.

 

[The Chump Bailey]

... or they are just super dedicated to the BPA philosophy.

Sure, but this draft was strong at the position and I would have liked them taking a shot on someone personally but as you said maybe their board said otherwise.

 

[heisenberg]

... or they are just super dedicated to the BPA philosophy.

Yup, best player available who fits our culture.

This staff puts an enormous amount of stock into chemistry and I love it, my favorite quote from peters initial press conference was "we're not collecting talent we're building a team"

That may have seemed a little like bluster at the time but it's painfully obvious now that it's a core principle and it works, we never make that run last year without such a tight locker room.

 

[KDawg]

Without a QB, I don't think the Giants are a threat. But that D line now is insane, best in the league.

While their talent on the DL certainly stands out - I've heard this before.

How are they coached, how hard do they work and do their egos allow them to play within the scheme?

At this point, to get all three on the field, you almost need to move Carter off-ball and have him wander ala Parsons.

None of them really fit as a 3-tech, though I'm curious as to Burns fit there.

Thibs disappears a bit too often for my tastes. He played 12 games and had 5.5 sacks. So that is a sack every 2 games. Which equates to about 8 a season. Which is good. He's played three seasons and has 21 sacks so that roughly tracks. He was excellent in '23 when fully healthy but otherwise remains a good player.

Burns is averaging roughly 9.5/sacks a season. With Carter there now that will open both Burns and Thibs to have more of an impact as teams need to account for Carter.

But I'm not sold yet.

I do think they just drafted their best pass rusher, though.

 

[Chris]

Without a QB, I don't think the Giants are a threat. But that D line now is insane, best in the league.

But Bucky Brooks described Brian Daboll as a “QB guru” Thursday night so the NYG should be primed for success. 😉

 

[Always Commander Never Captain]

Does Brian Robinson make this safety miss?

Less likely, but he'd generate positive plus yardage on that. That's a classic play for Robinson where he'll use his momentum and fall forward for an extra 4 yards turning it into a good (but not great) run.

 

[Always Commander Never Captain]

Daboll sucks as a coach. I still can't get over how they tried to do a tush push in a game, it failed spectacularly, then afterwards he told the media they never practiced it because it didn't seem that hard.

He's incompetent.

 

[Hail Raiser]

Daboll sucks as a coach. I still can't get over how they tried to do a tush push in a game, it failed spectacularly, then afterwards he told the media they never practiced it because it didn't seem that hard.

He's incompetent.

If you can't be smart you better be tough, as the saying goes.

Like I said earlier, their team building is awful, but I liked their draft.

 

[DogofWar1]

That makes Dart sound like Will Levis.

 

[skinsinparadise]

While their talent on the DL certainly stands out - I've heard this before.

How are they coached, how hard do they work and do their egos allow them to play within the scheme?

At this point, to get all three on the field, you almost need to move Carter off-ball and have him wander ala Parsons.

None of them really fit as a 3-tech, though I'm curious as to Burns fit there.

Thibs disappears a bit too often for my tastes. He played 12 games and had 5.5 sacks. So that is a sack every 2 games. Which equates to about 8 a season. Which is good. He's played three seasons and has 21 sacks so that roughly tracks. He was excellent in '23 when fully healthy but otherwise remains a good player.

Burns is averaging roughly 9.5/sacks a season. With Carter there now that will open both Burns and Thibs to have more of an impact as teams need to account for Carter.

But I'm not sold yet.

I do think they just drafted their best pass rusher, though.

The heard this before though were about good Washington D lineman that we hoped emerge to be great. At least for the Giants they already have at least one legit great player in Dexter Lawrence. Abdul Carter is supposed to be great, will see. Burns to me is like a a slightly rich man's version of Sweat. Darius Alexander verus Daron Payne? I'd bet on Alexander but will see. Payne to me post contract is a dissapointment. It's a problem when a beat guy who covers the team actually suggests they get in Payne's ear and tell him this could be a contract year for him -- to see if that motivates hiim.

Giants seem to screw up their O line picks. But they have a knack of getting most of their D line picks right.

The Giants are sneaky good with their D line choices. Even guys like BJ Hill taking later in the draft. Tomlinson in round 2.

Not the case with us. Payne, Allen, Sweat, Chase had good pedigree but none of them became A level players and we used major draft capital for them, Allen was close. Don't get me wrong, good picks and they made sense at that time, but we didn't strike gold with any of them. Silver in some cases but not gold. Ryan Anderson was bust. Ditto Mathis. But at least they were 2nd rounders not first.

Thibodeaux has 11.5 the season before, last year he played on a bad ankle. Will see about him. But he might be their 5 best D lineman who would likely be the top pass rusher here.

However, if you don't have a QB it doesn't matter. I thought McShay in a humorous way talked about it in a podcast, saying you can have a killer draft, but if you don't have the QB, doesn't matter. I don't think Dart is a franchise QB but will see.

 

[skinsinparadise]

Does Brian Robinson make this safety miss?

Agree, I don't think so.

Croskey-Merritt >> Brian Robinson. And this isn't post draft euphoria stuff, I said it specifically about him among others before the draft.

IMO there are two narratives that some get wrong about Robinson including the local media. And i mean this in good spirits so to each their own.

A. Brian is a really good back, he's good at getting those tough yards, its just the poor sap doesn't have breakaway speed and that limits him

B. Brian was really good at the beginning of the season but faded in the 2nd half because of injury-confidence take your pick.

To address A: He does not consistently get tough yards. He can do it but he's up and down on that front. He's decent at it. But not consistent. Also, his athleticism if anything IMO is his super power. He's fast for a big dude his size. I don't find him to be a creative runner. Do we think about Robinson's jump cut? Or spin move? Or for a big dude he really can make sharp cuts. Or his vision is special? His stop go -- deceleration ability. None of that. IMHO his athleticism is his super power not his weakness -- that's really most of his game, open a crease and he will plow through with his power and speed. But he has limits for how far he can take it because IMO he's more of an athlete than a creative runner.

To address B: As I've put on this thread, go through the games 1 by 1. He was up and down, good game, bad game from the jump. It might not feel that way because 2 of Brians 3 100 yard games last year came early. And the running game was good on the aggregate. But that was because the RB who really had a hot start and then cooled off wasn't Robinson but Ekeler. So as a whole the running game was indeed better early on. But Robinson was inconsistent -- up and down from game 1.

 

[skinsinparadise]

But Bucky Brooks described Brian Daboll as a “QB guru” Thursday night so the NYG should be primed for success. 😉

Yeah actually McShay has said the same. But even if we played along with it, doesn't matter if the QB doesn't have "it". Will see about Dart but I'd bet against him.

 

[Anselmheifer]

I liked their draft, but it's still a clown organization. Them trading up for Dart was accidentally on instagram before it happened. Schoens daughter leaked Sanders number to frat boys that pranked him like assholes.

I like the players they got, but not the way they're building their team. They could have really improved their offense, which is the problem, but didn't.

Whoever their HC and GM are next season will be happy.

Exactly. I was watching JP Finlay this morning and he had a clip of Adam Peters with Conerly’s family, who they flew in from Seattle for the party. Skip to about 17:20 and watch Peters hug Conerly’s mom, almost the way you’d hug your own mom. He really is just a good, classy dude, and he hired the same in Quinn, and I’m sure throughout the organization. After Snyder, we all know how much this makes a difference.

I'm baffled too. Not even a UDFA addition there but I do like DT Ricky Barber. All indications leading up to the draft were that Edge was a priority. That's the only conclusion we can draw as you said, they must be content with what they have.

I think it was multifactorial. The only edge at 29 as good a Conerly, was probably Green. Green lasted until the end of the 2nd because he looks like a Deshaun Watson/Justin Tucker risk.

Also, protecting maybe the best asset our franchise has had in its history should be a priority, and I think we are all finally relieved to see investment there. In the last year, in trades and in the draft, we’ve invested a 1st, 2nd, two 3rds, a 4th, and a significant FA contract in Biadasz. That’s a ton of investment in 2 years. It also says a lot about Rivera’s awful mismanagement of the OL, which SIP keeps speaking to.

In the 2nd, there wasn’t an edge nearly as good as Amos. I think we might have taken Green there if the Ravens hadn’t.

By the 4th, there wasn’t anybody that would have been a major immediate upgrade.

While their talent on the DL certainly stands out - I've heard this before.

How are they coached, how hard do they work and do their egos allow them to play within the scheme?

At this point, to get all three on the field, you almost need to move Carter off-ball and have him wander ala Parsons.

None of them really fit as a 3-tech, though I'm curious as to Burns fit there.

Thibs disappears a bit too often for my tastes. He played 12 games and had 5.5 sacks. So that is a sack every 2 games. Which equates to about 8 a season. Which is good. He's played three seasons and has 21 sacks so that roughly tracks. He was excellent in '23 when fully healthy but otherwise remains a good player.

Burns is averaging roughly 9.5/sacks a season. With Carter there now that will open both Burns and Thibs to have more of an impact as teams need to account for Carter.

But I'm not sold yet.

I do think they just drafted their best pass rusher, though.

I agree with all of this. I’d really say their pass rush is Dexter Lawrence, Brian Burns and Abdul Carter. Thibideaux probably isn’t going to be there in 2026, and he’s been about as productive as a Rivera era draft pick at edge.


We’d all kill for the Giants DL personnel here, if we could keep the offense we have. But, with the Giants, the results are less than the sum of their parts. The Giants are going to have a DL better than the Eagles. Does anybody expect their defense to be as good as that of the Eagles?

 

[bifflog]

Everyone remember that feeling in the 2012 pre-season where you just realized Alfred Morris was the best back on the squad despite 3 names ahead of him and a late round pedigree? Queue it back up!