Random Commanders Thoughts

1. Fourth quarter defense. With a veteran quarterback on the field with the score within a touchdown, you really can't afford to rush 4 men and drop 7 or even 8 into coverage and allow him to sit there and count to 3 or 4 to find a receiver, because he will.

Win or lose, the smart move would have been to come after Stafford and if we got him for a key sack the game would have been over.

I always prefer to win/lose being aggressive rather than passive. Why give Stafford the chance to mount another end of game comeback without significant pressure?

We were getting plenty of pressure with four for most of the fourth quarter. It's what got us back in the game.

And we were getting decent pressure on that last drive as well. Coach calls a stunt at the right time and Kerrigan has a free shot on Stafford, but Kerrigan whiffs and it turns into a 14 yard run. On 1st and 10 from the 38 Stafford under pressure throws high and Roberts makes an AMAZING catch for 12. (Something Roberts just doesn't do 99 times out of 100) On 2nd and 10 from the 18 we rush five and Cravens gets mauled and no one calls it.

Stafford was simply playing really well, moving in the pocket and making very very good throws. They pay the other guys too.

I didn't see a huge problem with the coaching on that last drive. The Lions just made plays. It wasn't our day.

2. How much longer can we afford to suit Matt Jones up to run the football here in Washington?

Chris Thompson was our most effective outside rusher today and Robert Kelley has shown he can run between the tackles. That looks like a pretty good 1-2 punch to me.

You can't win championships (not that this team is that close yet) with regular starters that are turnover prone. And that is what Jones shows he still is and very well may continue to be going forward.

That early fumble today cost us the game on the scoreboard. Forget the missed field goal. That fumble cost us 7 points in a game that was otherwise 10-3 late in the third quarter.

He did the same thing last year.

Here we are in Year 2 and we have fellow 2015 draftees Jamison Crowder and Brandon Scherff starting on the offense and being productive.

Jones, meanwhile, by general consensus plays a position where the transition from college to the NFL is thought to be easier.

But he seems to be still fighting himself in terms of the fundamentals, running with his pads lower, going North-South and not jumping plays to the outside too prematurely, holding onto the football.......................

Seems like the undrafted free agent, Kelley, already has a better handle on these details.

I understand that Jones was a #3 draft pick, but at some point you have to get guys off the field who continue to make the same mistakes and show the same limitations.

Let him sit and watch for a couple of weeks. Let's see what we have in Kelley, so that at the end of the year we can make a fully informed decision about what we have to do at RB, if anything in the draft and free agency in 2017.

We're between a rock and hard place at RB. We have a very flawed Jones backed up by an undrafted rookie with no experience. I'm fine starting Kelley and seeing what happens but I wouldn't expect too much. We shouldn't be in this position. We should have a more capable corps of RBs. This is an issue that should have been solved two months ago. Now, we have to go with what we've got.

Hopefully Jones figures out how to hold onto the ball or Kelley turns out to be a pleasant surprise.
 
With Jones such a question mark, and the possibility that Kelly could ultimately inherit the role, I wish there was some way we could make room for Mack Brown on the active roster. Because we may need him as a backup, if things get to the point that we ending up cutting Jones, and Brown sounds like he could be pickup material for another team.
 
If Jones doesn't work out this year, I suspect we'll be drafting his replacement next year.
 
That was the worst game of Jones career yesterday. But calling his career over or thinking it's time to move on - I can't agree with that. He's a 2nd year back. Last week against Philly he ran for 135 yards on 16 attempts including breaking a 57 yarder and a TD. He shouldn't be judged by either game alone. I don't know whether a RB can be cured of fumblitis. I remember Mark Rypien almost losing his job due to carelessness with the ball. He fixed the issue. I don't know if Jones can - I have to defer to the coaches on that.

Yesterday was one of the most frustrating losses I can remember in a long time - because we dominated in almost every statistical measure:

TOP
1st Downs
Passing Yds
Rushing Yds
3rd down conversions

We totally wasted one of Kirk's best performances (30-39 for 301 yards). We dropped almost certain TD passes, had drive killing penalties, fumbled the ball away 3 times including in the redzone. We left 14-21 points on the field due to errors. On top of everything, we didn't get one lucky break with Stafford's stripped fumble bouncing right back in his hands, passes bouncing off Redskins players backs right into Lions receivers hands, etc...etc... And our FG kicker chose this same game to finally kick a bad ball bouncing it off a goal post.

This was a game we should have won. This is a game we had to win. This is a game that could have kept us on pace to lead the NFC East. Instead, it will likely cost us a chance at a post-season spot. The seasons not over, but yesterday was an absolutely killer of a loss.

One final thought. I said it earlier in the week when someone suggest that Ryan Grant and Rashad Ross needed to get more balls. When you are in crunch time, why are we not utilizing our proven stars? With the game on the line, guys like Grant and Ross shouldn't even be on the field. Where is Desean Jackson? Where is Pierre Garcon? Ryan Grant is a fringe NFL player - why in the hell are we relying on him on critical downs? Someone needs to slap Sean McVay upside his head and get the message through his thick skull that his job is not to show how cute he can be with playcalling and how his system is such genius that we can plug anyone into it and have success. Play the guys we know can play. Call plays that put the ball into the hands of the players that we know can get the job done in crunch time. So sick of seeing marginal guys getting the call on key downs.
 
Reports are Trent Williams injury isn't serious and he might even play against the Bengals on Sunday. Whether he does or not, this is simply huge good news going forward. Particularly with the bye week after this weeks game. I was worried we'd be without him for a good part of the rest of the season…

I'd say it's almost a certainty Josh Norman won't play this week, but since the bye week comes after we should have him back after that as well. Feeling to me right now like we dodged a couple of really large caliber bullets.

Tough as hell loss yesterday given we really shouldn't have lost. I think we were the better team in almost every meaningful way, we just had the bad bounces and made enough mistakes of our own to shoot ourselves in the foot.

Now we find out what this year's team is made of by how we react and bounce back next week.


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Separate topic...

How do you guys feel about Kirk's season to date in terms of a long term contract? He had a very shaky start but what I am seeing is more of the 2015 Kirk. I loved that they let him use his feet yesterday as he's an underrated mobile QB and we saw a lot more of that in 2015.

I would like to see the team cement him to a 5 year deal. But I've loved him from early on, so I'm sure there is a valid counter argument. If I were McCloughan/Allen, I'd do a deal sooner rather than later. He's only going to get more expensive if he continues to improve this year.
 
Cousins is going to get paid but the team is going to get an exit ramp or two before all is said and done.

Kirk may look to the Flacco and Wilson contracts but those two players won Super Bowls before they came up for new deals.

Likewise, Cousins has not single-handedly taken the Redskins to 11-5 and the conference championship game as Andrew Luck has.

His deal can't come at the price of building the rest of the team.

He is in that category of qb that can have success but he needs a solid supporting cast to do it.
 
Those eyes tho...

Kirk hasn't played poorly enough to lose any games by himself, but I'm not sure he has played well enough to win anything by himself either. I would put him (without looking at any stats or doing any quantitative analysis) as a top 12 QB this year - totally subjective opinion. If the bar is Joe Flacco's contract, I'm not sure he has cleared that in my mind. If the bar is Osweiller, we're good.

Maybe $35-40M guaranteed, $90 million-ish?

And I would wait a few more games. Kirk is showing improvement, but frankly I don't see the rush. Two years in a row now he has started slowly, so I don't see the harm in making sure he can rebound all the way before we go all in on him.
 
I generally agree with your assessment of the game, Boone. We really should have won that game. We looked like the better team, but ... ****ing Lions, man. What is it about those guys? The Redskins are playing pretty well, but I don't think we're quite good enough to be able to afford dropping games we should be winning. This one definitely stings.

Regarding Jones, I certainly wouldn't cut him or bench him based on this game. I think we have a lot more than one game upon which to formulate an opinion about him. And I'll say that if all first year RBs don't hit the ground running, the rest should by their second year, especially when they are given every opportunity to start. Jones hasn't spent his career sitting on the bench. RBs only usually only have about 3-5 years of primetime production. Do we REALLY need to go deep into Year Two to know where we are with him?

I don't know. There are exceptions to every rule. Maybe Jones is an exception, but he sure looks like what he looks like.
 
Kirk seems to have leveled off as an solid system QB. I don't think he's Elite, or probably ever will be, but he makes the offense go. I would have no problem re-signing him to an average starting QB salary. I hope we don't break the bank for him though. That will kill this team.
 
I think Henry's been beating the drum for a while that Jones may not be great, but he is probably the best that we have. It's certainly possible that an UDFA could come out and play MUCH better than Jones could, but I suspect we all WANT Kelley to be better than he really is.

Consulting my Magic 8 Ball, I suspect we ride with Jones for most of the rest of the season, excepting one or two games for Kelley to show us he is just a guy (after which we revert to Jones) and then go RB shopping next off season.
 
I don't think anyone is saying to get rid of Jones but he does need to be benched, just to drive home a point.

Boone mentioned Rypien almost losing his job....If you remember, he did get benched for his lack of ball security before finally getting another chance.

That's all I'm advocating for Jones here.
 
Separate topic...

How do you guys feel about Kirk's season to date in terms of a long term contract? He had a very shaky start but what I am seeing is more of the 2015 Kirk. I loved that they let him use his feet yesterday as he's an underrated mobile QB and we saw a lot more of that in 2015.

I would like to see the team cement him to a 5 year deal. But I've loved him from early on, so I'm sure there is a valid counter argument. If I were McCloughan/Allen, I'd do a deal sooner rather than later. He's only going to get more expensive if he continues to improve this year.

My understanding is that he can't be signed to a new deal until January 1, 2017.
 
Ahh...yep - franchised so I believe you're right


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I generally agree with your assessment of the game, Boone. We really should have won that game. We looked like the better team, but ... ****ing Lions, man. What is it about those guys? The Redskins are playing pretty well, but I don't think we're quite good enough to be able to afford dropping games we should be winning. This one definitely stings.

Regarding Jones, I certainly wouldn't cut him or bench him based on this game. I think we have a lot more than one game upon which to formulate an opinion about him. And I'll say that if all first year RBs don't hit the ground running, the rest should by their second year, especially when they are given every opportunity to start. Jones hasn't spent his career sitting on the bench. RBs only usually only have about 3-5 years of primetime production. Do we REALLY need to go deep into Year Two to know where we are with him?

I don't know. There are exceptions to every rule. Maybe Jones is an exception, but he sure looks like what he looks like.

The Lions? what this game showed is who we are. We are the Lions. 8-8 type team, except Stafford is way better than Kirk. They are saying Stafford is up for contract and is going to break the bank. Kirk hasn't earned a big contract imo. He has peaked imo, and what you see is what you get, a gutsy QB that isn't athletic enough to make the kind of play he seems to try to but just can't. His running is not his strength, the td was a fool you play that was so wide open even the slowest guy on the team could have run it in. Yes good but no, not elite. As far as spreading the ball around, he has been coached to play this way, McVay has some issues coaching, not exploiting known mis matches.

Jones? You can't play fumblers. The fact our scheme doesn't favor a running game lends itself to this. Heck we can't even hand the dam ball off without screwing it up.

I don't know what we do with Kirk, but I prepare for life without him, as always. Our biggest problem seems we have coaching issues, seem to be getting out coached time and time again. Will be glad to see some more young guys in there. Our points allowed thus far indicates we have no chance even without looking at the schedule.
 
Sunday at Detroit was an excruciatingly difficult pill to swallow - no doubt.

Fresh off the sour taste of defeat yesterday, it's hard not to think that the Lions game might be the one that comes back to bite us in the ass late in December that we wish we had back.

However, at the same time, over the course of the season, these types of things tend to even out. Arguably, we've had two games (at New York and Baltimore) that one might argue should have went in the favour of the opponent. Instead, we walked out of both stadiums victorious...somehow.

When it's all said and done, it will come down to divisional play. On a positive note, we are on the plus side with a 2-1 division record as we currently stand. Going 2-1 the rest of the way in the division and finishing at a minimum with a 4-2 record will make us a factor for the divisional race come December.

On top of that, outside of Minnesota, many of those non-division opponents that we all concluded in August would be enormously difficult to beat now seem beatable (e.g., Packers, Panthers, Cincy).

It's time to put on our big boy pants and decide if we want to be taken seriously in this league.
 
How do you guys feel about Kirk's season to date in terms of a long term contract? He had a very shaky start but what I am seeing is more of the 2015 Kirk. I loved that they let him use his feet yesterday as he's an underrated mobile QB and we saw a lot more of that in 2015.

From what I've seen (more like from what I've read!), Kirk doesn't deserve to be signed to a long term contract. You say he's beginning to look like the 2015 Kirk. That is something I don't want to see as it means he hasn't progressed since then. He was right to hold out on signing this year as he will be looking for a new home next year.

My opinion and I'm sticking with it!
 
If this is the Kirk we see for the rest of the season, I'm fine with re-signing him - but not breaking the bank for him.
He's not a Top Tier, but a very good one. And close to the Top Tier. And good enough that we can win a Super Bowl with him, if we build enough talent and coaching around him. We don't need a Tom Brady to win the Super Bowl. And we shouldn't sit around waiting for a Tom Brady to fall in our laps, because we'll be waiting another 100 years for that. Rather we should be happy to have a QB of this quality, since even this level of QB are hard to find. Especially for us.
But again, if he demands crazy Top Teir money, then let him walk.
 

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