Random Commanders Thoughts

There's is no way Griffin can ask for upper tier money unless he turns in an upper tier performance next season while staying "available" for 16 games.

He's got this season to put up or get out....let's see what happens?
 
Yep, that's where I am. I think it highly unlikely he "put's up" and performs at the level needed to justify an extension, but you never know. It IS possible, though I doubt it will happen.
 
to quote a loser from a different profession: "what difference does it make?"

the Skins have a major rebuild ahead of them. the primary need is to build the talent base around the QBs. the Skins know this - that's why McL was hired. it doesn't matter who is QB next season, IMO, this team isn't going to get radically better - too many holes. my own preference is that we sign an upper tier o-linemen in FA and focus the top draft picks on d-line and secondary.

the media is busting a gut over no QB competition. well...so what. what if the going in assumption is that this is, minimum, a two year rebuild and...best case.....5-7 win season in 2015. with few QB options in the draft and almost none in FA...they may have already decided....quietly...that next season is already done (no one will admit this) and Gruden has quietly been told "your head won't be on the block." losing, btw, creates plenty room to shift among QBs.

too much drama over what we know can change in a heartbeat.
 
In addition, this could be a not-so-subtle way of chumming the waters.

"Hey, see, we've named our 2015 starting QB already so you know what that means! No QB for us in the draft, No siree! So if by some chance somebody like...oh, say... Mr. Mariota just happens to still be around at #5, well, let's just say not fer us. Nope. And if one of you (We're lookin' at you, Cleveland :)) might be interested in making an offer...well...you have out number, ok?"
 
Miles Monroe said:
I think you missed Ax's point..... there are always factors out of your control
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I didn't miss his point at all amigo.

the point is that there is uncertainty in everything, uncertainty can be managed - that's what GMs are paid to do.

it's not even clear what argument is being made. that teams should simply throw darts at a list of names to decide the draft board? that trying to reduce risk is a fool's errand? that holding any GM accountable over several drafts is an exercise in futility because chance overcomes any edge in picking talent?

if the point is that chance plays a larger hand than in other decision processes...ok. what conclusions flow from that? I think the logic of the process makes chance irrelevant in the sense that...it is the same for all teams......the goal is to build a better roster than other teams operating with the same uncontrollable variables. how get the edge? excel at the variables that are controllable. the goal isn't building a perfect process - it's to be better at it than the other teams. teams can achieve this by reducing uncertainty. where they define that to be and the formula for success will vary.
 
Ya know, Clark sucked on the field this year. He did. There is no denying it.

But he did something for me during this horrible season that hadn't been done since Portis did it. He brought back Seans spirit. Seeing him walk out in that 21 made me smile inside...hearing him talk about him like it was yesterday made me laugh inside...

So, yeah, he sucked last year. We all did. But Sean was back in spirit at least.

And with moss probably gone it's everyone who played with him.
 
fansince62 said:
I didn't miss his point at all amigo.

the point is that there is uncertainty in everything, uncertainty can be managed - that's what GMs are paid to do.

it's not even clear what argument is being made. that teams should simply throw darts at a list of names to decide the draft board? that trying to reduce risk is a fool's errand? that holding any GM accountable over several drafts is an exercise in futility because chance overcomes any edge in picking talent?

if the point is that chance plays a larger hand than in other decision processes...ok. what conclusions flow from that? I think the logic of the process makes chance irrelevant in the sense that...it is the same for all teams......the goal is to build a better roster than other teams operating with the same uncontrollable variables. how get the edge? excel at the variables that are controllable. the goal isn't building a perfect process - it's to be better at it than the other teams. teams can achieve this by reducing uncertainty. where they define that to be and the formula for success will vary.
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Not to be argumentative Al, but what you're saying is a good GM can control a guy running down the field on the opening kick off of the first game of the season, and blowing out an MCL without any contact ? Maybe a player getting shot in his home ? Maybe what looks to be a stud of a player, that's rated top 5 in the draft, and winds up injury prone to the point he misses more time then plays and a financial burden on the team? Call it what you want, but these are things that are completely out of anybodies control. Things that can have an adverse effect on individual units, or the entire team no matter how well the GM builds the team. That's exactly the point of the farming analogy, which you addressed with your second line, and I still think you missed the point of the analogy.
 
Shanahan flapping his gums and trashing the team is only helping people realize what a piece of shit he is and to never hire him as their coach.
 
Shanahan is well beyond his prime as a coach, Shannon Sharpe admitted as much when he came to practices and hardly recognized what he saw. Light drills, units not acting in proper sequence, it appeared to be a rookie coach's practice from his perspective.

That said the one grain of truth in the interview on WTEM is that the continued impatience of the owner and his willingness to take high risk gambles on a throw of the dice with trades continues to set the team back.

The deal for McNabb and the mega deal for Griffin for picks are not the kind of moves you see seasoned GMs make who have enjoyed success.

Bellichick acquires veterans but they are usually free agents signed to short term deals or trades that don't cost more than a middle round pick or package of pick/player.

The lesson is you really don't get rich quick in the NFL on the field.

It's many moves over a 2-3 year term that get clubs to contender status.

With the cap teams are penalized heavily for giving up high picks because that is the way to get top performances from players for a number of years on rookie deals.

As we have seen, the Redskins don't have enough of those kinds of players.
 
Elephant said:
Yeah because Jamarcus Russell won a National Championship competed for a 2nd, won a Heisman Trophy and lost only one game in his collegiate career.

Your hate of Jameis Winston is well known...how about keeping it in the proper forum?

FFS...I might have to call you McD5 2.0 for beating this dead horse, or maybe McD 3.0 since he already named me 2.0.
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Winston was measured at the combine today. 6'3 231 or the same size he was at FSU last season. Sorry to disappoint those intent on celebrating his demise.
 
I don't think Winston's physical gifts have ever been a question mark. It's what's between his ears, whether you call it 'judgment', 'character', or something else that seems to be where some question whether he can be trusted. I am sure some of those 'issues' have been overblown. The question is, whether they are significant enough that teams should avoid expending a high pick on him. I have no idea.
 
Chris said:
Winston was measured at the combine today. 6'3 231 or the same size he was at FSU last season. Sorry to disappoint those intent on celebrating his demise.
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I don't think anyone really believed that picture did they?

The rope around his waist was pretty easy to see. Then the second picture they released showed what was a 2 or 4 pack stomach.
 
I have softened in my view of Winston with more time watching him. If I had to guess right now I would say he will be a top 10 NFLQB based on his physical tools and ability to lead on the field. I can even say that if we traded Griffin and picked him at pick #5 I would not throw a fit over the decision (he won't be available so I will never have to prove it).
 
Boone said:
I don't think Winston's physical gifts have ever been a question mark. It's what's between his ears, whether you call it 'judgment', 'character', or something else that seems to be where some question whether he can be trusted. I am sure some of those 'issues' have been overblown. The question is, whether they are significant enough that teams should avoid expending a high pick on him. I have no idea.
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These QB-needy teams are just in such a tough position. It's everything you mentioned, character concerns, etc.....but it's also so much more.

If you pass on Winston or Mariota at 1 or 2, you are then gambling that:

A. Next year's QBs will be as good as either of these guys.

B. That you'll have such a crappy season this year that you'll be picking in the top 1 or 2 next year.

C. And if not? If you are picking tenth? Then by passing on these guys, you may have two spend 2 or 3 first round picks to get your QB.

Land a franchise QB and you are set for ten years. These teams are almost forced to draft one.
 
I think Mr. Crab Legs will be a better pro than Griffin.

For one thing he has far fewer bad habits on the football field to overcome transitioning from college. His footwork is better, he can operate in the gun or under center, and he performed in games on a bigger stage.

At 6'3 and 231 he's also big enough to take the grind of a 16 game schedule in the NFL.

The biggest impediment to developing is his own off the field judgment.
 
Miles Monroe said:
Not to be argumentative Al, but what you're saying is a good GM can control a guy running down the field on the opening kick off of the first game of the season, and blowing out an MCL without any contact ? Maybe a player getting shot in his home ? Maybe what looks to be a stud of a player, that's rated top 5 in the draft, and winds up injury prone to the point he misses more time then plays and a financial burden on the team? Call it what you want, but these are things that are completely out of anybodies control. Things that can have an adverse effect on individual units, or the entire team no matter how well the GM builds the team. That's exactly the point of the farming analogy, which you addressed with your second line, and I still think you missed the point of the analogy.
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not at all Miles. The GM is on the front end - he builds the roster that coaching then takes to the next level.

building a roster is a process. the builders apply a methodology. chance/uncertainty plays into this like everything else in life. that doesn't mean, ipso facto, that everyone should throw their arms in the air and not approach the problem in a logical, disciplined, organized, planned, implemented and executed fashion. are you and others really arguing that this shouldn't be the process? or are you arguing that no one should be held accountable for results because...try as you might....uncertainty/chance play too large a role?

btw....the farming example...aside from the fact that farmers take measures to reduce the impacts of events like weather....how often does that happen? would farmers stay in business if their crops were ruined...say 50% of the time (i.e., 50% of each annual growing season)? since that is the analogy that has been put in play...would a 50% hit rate on draft picks reflect a "good" decision-making process? if it's less than 50% then there is less "chance/uncertainty" and the argument for a rational approach gains even more weight.

I haven't missed anything. I am addressing how one deals with uncertainty in every walk of life. your shot in home example (with obvious redskin tie-in): you telling me a team can't assess who a player associates with, where they live, the activities they engage in....and not make some risk based decisions?

I'm talking about the process - something you have steadfastly avoided. I'm not claiming uncertainty can be eliminated.
 
Like not signing Albert Haynesworthless to a $100M contract after he was suspended for stomping on another players face and after his hometown team in Tenn wasn't willing to pay him to return? 😡
 
I believe all experts underestimate the importance of 'instincts' when it comes to the QB position. The instinctual ability of the QB, how quickly he can react with the best action on any given play, is the biggest factor determining success or failure at the NFL level IMHO. The speed at the NFL level doesn't allow for thinking or assessing once the ball is snapped. QBs with great instincts (get rid of the ball, throw deep, hit the safety outlet, take a sack, step into or out of the pocket, etc...) thrive, those with poor instincts don't.

Winston seems to have great in game instincts. Robert - not so much. And of last year's QBs only McCoy seemed to have good QBing instincts.
 
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