Official Game Thread - Week 18 - Cowboys @ Commanders

Yeah, he could really move when he took off. And I agree he knew how to throw it away as well. Both of the other guys tried to play hero and throw it up for grabs. It worked for one guy and failed for the other. Anyway, I remember saying during the preseason he looked like a stronger armed Heinicke. It was definitely good to see him playing.

I think that's a pretty decent description - at least like the early Heinicke. We haven't seen Heinicke hurt many teams with his feet the way Sam Howell can. Possible they've 'coached it out of him' or made it clear they didn't want Heinicke taking off. I'm not sure.
 
I noticed Rivera got emotional - gotta wonder if he either knows he isn't coming back or wonders if he might not be back?
 
I noticed Rivera got emotional - gotta wonder if he either knows he isn't coming back or wonders if he might not be back?


You hope he's just pissed off the same way we are. Knowing the talent and ability that's on this roster with sub-par results. That the 'vision' produced THESE results.
 
The first time I read it, I thought the same thing. But that the fact it was his suite makes it even better. Good for Wentz for doing that. You see what David Carr did when he was benched, he left the team. He wasn’t around to support his teammates. Most people I heard even said they don’t blame him and he got very little criticism for doing that. Wentz not only stuck around, but then he gives the rookie who took his job his suite to use. That’s pretty amazing.
 
Honestly, I was impressed with all 3 of our QBs yesterday—Howell for his performance but Heinicke and Wentz for their professionalism and support of Howell. Sideline shots often showed one or both of the older QBs talking with Howell between offensive series and when Howell ran it in for a TD, Heinicke and Wentz were among the first off the sideline to congratulate the young man. All 3 appear to be high-character team-first guys.
 
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I noticed Rivera got emotional - gotta wonder if he either knows he isn't coming back or wonders if he might not be back?

Orrrrrr maybe he was thinking "After 3 years I finally found my QB1! I really did!"

Okay, long post incoming!

I'm not anointing Howell as the second coming of the Football Jesus, but I was super impressed by what he achieved.

The context means a lot here:

He's a rookie.
Meaningless game against what should have been a motivated 12-4 team gunning for the number 1 seed.
Playing behind a maligned O-line that was playing scrubs.
Playing without BRob or Gibson to shoulder the running game.
Playing in his first live NFL game (and first game since pre-season)
Playing with the pressure of knowing that the crowd would either be pro-Dallas, or in the event he screwed up would be hollering for Heineke.
Playing after practicing most of the year with the scrubs being used as the Scout team.
Playing perhaps our number one divisional arch rival team and all the pressure that comes with that.
Playing opposite a Defense that also had major pieces missing (Allen, Davis, St Juste, Curl, etc)

Counter context:

Dallas played like Sh*t.
Our undermanned defense balled out! In a meaningless game! Who saw that coming?!

Conclusions:

Yes there was the bad interception, but it wasn't worse than the three Wentz threw in a meaningful game against a 7-9 team last week. So I'll forgive him that one. He's a rookie after all, and that was early on.
And yes, there was only 169 yards of passing offence, but he almost completed another couple of deep balls that could have added another 100 yards to that. I know it's 'coulda shoulda' but again, he was a rookie in his first game. He was adjusting to playing with our top WRs and they were adjusting to him. The results of increased chemistry between Howell and this WR group are a tantalizing prospect.
Boy can run. Not only that he can run over people.
His decision making is pretty darned good. He was doing smart things most of the time that we've seen QBs need to learn. Feeling pressure, knowing when to tuck and run, sliding (remember the RGIII years!) etc.
The game never looked bigger than him, and the more he played the more he seemed to settle in. Which considering the opposition (and the context listed above) is all the more impressive. Especially considering how the high paid 7 year Veteran (Wentz) looked like a deer caught in headlights against the Browns.

The more I look at Wentz, the more I feel like he just doesn't have it. He just lacks the toughness that both Heineke and maybe Howell have. For all the kind words that came out from the team and players about Wentz and his work ethic and how he connected to the players, you could just sense that he was never 'loved' by his teammates in the same way Heineke is. I think that's crucial to how the team seemed to get up for playing with Heineke but were ambivalent to playing with Wentz. There's definitely a chemistry thing at work, and I don't think Ron and co realized how profound an effect that was.

I said in chat yesterday, what I'd like to see for the next season is for Wentz to be gone. Spend that money on resigning Payne and then shore up the O-Line through FA/Draft.
Give Howell the season. Expect growing pains, but let him take the reins and see if he flies. Resign Heineke to back him up. I then think you've got two QBs who are tough, can win, are good locker room presences, and the other players respect.
I think I've also seen enough of Scott Turner to figure he's at least part of the problem. I think we need a new OC too.

I think if those things came to pass, I'd feel pretty good rolling into next year.

Oh and NO MORE DAN!
 
Orrrrrr maybe he was thinking "After 3 years I finally found my QB1! I really did!"

Okay, long post incoming!

I'm not anointing Howell as the second coming of the Football Jesus, but I was super impressed by what he achieved.

The context means a lot here:

He's a rookie.
Meaningless game against what should have been a motivated 12-4 team gunning for the number 1 seed.
Playing behind a maligned O-line that was playing scrubs.
Playing without BRob or Gibson to shoulder the running game.
Playing in his first live NFL game (and first game since pre-season)
Playing with the pressure of knowing that the crowd would either be pro-Dallas, or in the event he screwed up would be hollering for Heineke.
Playing after practicing most of the year with the scrubs being used as the Scout team.
Playing perhaps our number one divisional arch rival team and all the pressure that comes with that.
Playing opposite a Defense that also had major pieces missing (Allen, Davis, St Juste, Curl, etc)

Counter context:

Dallas played like Sh*t.
Our undermanned defense balled out! In a meaningless game! Who saw that coming?!

Conclusions:

Yes there was the bad interception, but it wasn't worse than the three Wentz threw in a meaningful game against a 7-9 team last week. So I'll forgive him that one. He's a rookie after all, and that was early on.
And yes, there was only 169 yards of passing offence, but he almost completed another couple of deep balls that could have added another 100 yards to that. I know it's 'coulda shoulda' but again, he was a rookie in his first game. He was adjusting to playing with our top WRs and they were adjusting to him. The results of increased chemistry between Howell and this WR group are a tantalizing prospect.
Boy can run. Not only that he can run over people.
His decision making is pretty darned good. He was doing smart things most of the time that we've seen QBs need to learn. Feeling pressure, knowing when to tuck and run, sliding (remember the RGIII years!) etc.
The game never looked bigger than him, and the more he played the more he seemed to settle in. Which considering the opposition (and the context listed above) is all the more impressive. Especially considering how the high paid 7 year Veteran (Wentz) looked like a deer caught in headlights against the Browns.

The more I look at Wentz, the more I feel like he just doesn't have it. He just lacks the toughness that both Heineke and maybe Howell have. For all the kind words that came out from the team and players about Wentz and his work ethic and how he connected to the players, you could just sense that he was never 'loved' by his teammates in the same way Heineke is. I think that's crucial to how the team seemed to get up for playing with Heineke but were ambivalent to playing with Wentz. There's definitely a chemistry thing at work, and I don't think Ron and co realized how profound an effect that was.

I said in chat yesterday, what I'd like to see for the next season is for Wentz to be gone. Spend that money on resigning Payne and then shore up the O-Line through FA/Draft.
Give Howell the season. Expect growing pains, but let him take the reins and see if he flies. Resign Heineke to back him up. I then think you've got two QBs who are tough, can win, are good locker room presences, and the other players respect.
I think I've also seen enough of Scott Turner to figure he's at least part of the problem. I think we need a new OC too.

I think if those things came to pass, I'd feel pretty good rolling into next year.

Oh and NO MORE DAN!

The only thing I would point out was that Howell was not playing behind scrubs on the offensive line (any more than Wentz & Heinicke were 😉).

Leno, Paul, Schweitzer, Turner and Cosmi played 100% of the offensive snaps.

Did anyone miss Norwell? Bueller, Bueller?
 
Watching Young and Sweat both dropping into coverage on the same play yesterday had me thinking of Toys in the Attic.

Toys, toys, toys…in the attic.
 
Some folks made a big deal out of the INT. How was that INT any different than any other INT we see from any QB? There are only 3 kinds of INTs. Bad decisions, those caused by wrong or poor routes, and unlucky bounces.

The one Howell threw was a bad decision.

What made it one wasn't so much the throw itself. All QBs make throws they think they can 'squeeze' in there and are proven wrong. What made that a bad decision was where we were on the field. You have to come away with points just outside their endzone - no matter what. Can't take that risk there. He knew, didn't even have to be told.
 
In Joe Thiesmann’s Redskins debut he was 10/24 passing for 184 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT.

He was 27 years old.
 
Yeah, but lots of guys in the NFL have those reasons and aren't nice. Or professional. Or even adults.

Look at both Marcus Mariotta and Derek Carr in just the past few weeks. After getting benched they took their ball and went home rather than be a good teammate.

Now juxtapose that with Washington where we have Heinicke telling the coaches that Howell has earned a chance and Wentz giving Howell's family the use of his suite for the game.
 
Very true Neo. I am seeing on social media that Heinicke was extremely pissed that they replaced him with Wentz late season and that he won't be back for that reason. No idea if that is accurate or not but it wouldn't shock me.
 
Some folks made a big deal out of the INT. How was that INT any different than any other INT we see from any QB? There are only 3 kinds of INTs. Bad decisions, those caused by wrong or poor routes, and unlucky bounces.

The one Howell threw was a bad decision.

What made it one wasn't so much the throw itself. All QBs make throws they think they can 'squeeze' in there and are proven wrong. What made that a bad decision was where we were on the field. You have to come away with points just outside their endzone - no matter what. Can't take that risk there. He knew, didn't even have to be told.

I always fall to the thought process that EVERY QB throws interceptions.
EVERY QB makes the occasional bad decision.
EVERY QB might have an occasional bad day where they throw multiple interceptions.

It's when it becomes a repeating pattern, then I start feeling that there's an issue.
 
To be fair, I think he has a legit reason to be pissed about it too. I think the team wins the game against the Browns with Heinicke under center and we are preparing for a playoff game right now instead of the offseason.

I hope that, that given time to cool off and think about the big picture, Heinicke realizes he has a really good situation here in Washington and decides to come back (assuming social media is correct and not just assuming shit).
 
Wasn't Chris Paul brought up from the Practice Squad? I'm fairly sure this was his first game this year wasn't it?
 

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