Official Game Thread - Week 15 - Giants @ Commanders

While I agree he should have cut inside, "cost the game" is not quite correct. There's no guarantee they would've made the two point conversion. Plus they had another potential TD taken away by McLaurin's penalty. Plenty of blame to go around.

You are correct on the 2 point conversion. There is no guarantee and they should have never been in a spot to go for 2. But, if he cuts back and scores, then the next play where Terry lines up incorrectly never happens.
 
You are correct on the 2 point conversion. There is no guarantee and they should have never been in a spot to go for 2. But, if he cuts back and scores, then the next play where Terry lines up incorrectly never happens.
On the other hand though, scoring sooner would have given the Giants more time to drive down the field and get a FG, and our D wasn't really doing anything to show they could get pressure, stop Saquon, or not let a WR/TE get wide open.
 
On the other hand though, scoring sooner would have given the Giants more time to drive down the field and get a FG, and our D wasn't really doing anything to show they could get pressure, stop Saquon, or not let a WR/TE get wide open.
I was thinking the same thing, but you have to score. As we saw, they didn't score so the clock didn't matter. When you are losing, you have to score first and then play the clock second. All the passes on that drive were out of bounds other than the Thomas one which was, but then apparently wasn't. So they didn't have much opportunity to work the clock. In the end though, it didn't matter since they didn't score.
 
The holding at the start of the game was the first hint of slanted refs...they called one later on the Giants but kept the yellow in the pocket for that foul afterwards, probably because they were more than satisfied it indirectly gave the Giants a TD.

Defense coughing up a 4th and 9 is a clear sign that the Giants were confident they could exploit whatever Del Rio was throwing at them, suggesting that Del Rio has a tendency they caught on to.

Heinicke has an issue with ball security and still hasn't cleaned it up.

Gibson butterfingering again this game is a cause for concern as well and probably why the staff went to Robinson even though Robinson wasn't 100% earlier in the season.
 
Static. That's what this franchise is.

They are nothing more now than what they've ever been: a losing franchise that gets to a peak that's mediocre once in awhile but never becomes good.

Last night's performance,while disappointing,is a familiar tune for this fanbase. Start out poor and then produce a run that gives fans something awful....Hope.....only to return back to the mean.

The defense here is highly overrated and mostly a mirage. Good to great defenses don't let a Giants team lead by Daniel Jones,march up and down the field on them with never getting any pressure on Jones for the bulk of the night. Allen,Payne,Sweat etc made the Giants Oline look like the 91 Hogs.Jack Del Rio seems to be the only DC in this league that's afraid to go after Daniel Jones with the intent of getting him on the ground. And is it just me or do the Giants not have any viable weapons on the outside? No press coverage? Why? Jack,for all his bravado, coaches scared...alot.
If you guys want to know what a true, good defense looks like,you'll see one next Saturday when they face San Francisco,who not only has a better front seven than Washington but speed to burn on defense as well.

The offense...what offense? They could only muster 12 points of production and Turner couldn't figure out how to keep using Robinson who was averaging almost 7.5 yards a carry. Gibson had 7 touches total,passing/rushing. His talent is wasted here and for his sake, he should ask out..either a trade or release...because his OC is limited..not only as a play caller but as a coach as well.
I've said it for a long time and I'll keep repeating it: Scott Turner is an NFL OC in name only. He has no situational awareness and he does not understand his players strengths and weaknesses which prevents him from using what looks like to be some talent at the skill positions here.A pure waste of speed and talent,hamstrung by poor coaching.
Give Kyle Shanahan this wr group and running back corp and see what happens....AND...I bet you he'd get better production out of Heinicke also. He's doing it with the last player taken in last April's draft right now through scheme...something Scott Turner only dreams about doing.

Next Saturday, this team goes west to play the Niners on Christmas Eve. After last night's performance, I don't see how the offense even musters 10 points vs what's a very good defense nor do I see how the defense slows down Kittle and McCaffrey. The only way they are even in the game is if the Niners have a complete meltdown and turn the ball over 3-4 times. And even with that,I doubt they win this game.

As for me,I'm debating whether to even watch this game.Christmas Eve is supposed to be one of the happiest times of year. Should I risk exposing myself to feeling sour because of the 30 point beat down that's coming? That's a decision I'll struggle with this week.


So all in all,my signature rings true: Coaches change,players change but the on field product never changes. Why I still follow this team or how I manage to muster enough passion to make a post this long..........who the hell knows? As fans, we're all worn out.........
 
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From Snyder down to chase Young

Fire them all today.
 
I was thinking the same thing, but you have to score. As we saw, they didn't score so the clock didn't matter. When you are losing, you have to score first and then play the clock second. All the passes on that drive were out of bounds other than the Thomas one which was, but then apparently wasn't. So they didn't have much opportunity to work the clock. In the end though, it didn't matter since they didn't score.
But in the end, our opportunity to score, even after Taylor didn't cut inside, or the penalty, our chance was taken away by a blatant PI non call. Not saying we win, but we were still in it on 4th down till the non call. in the endzone.
 
There is going to be a lot of focus on Heinicke today and he certainly had some mistakes that bear looking at.

Having said that, he was far from our biggest problem last night.

Payne was invisible. I don't remember hearing his name called even once by the announcing crew. Two weeks ago he had 4 tackles w/ 2 sacks.

The defense allowed an 18-play - 97-yard drive. That it ended in just a FG can only be called a miracle.

Taylor's fumble for a TD was the result of an 11-yard gain (and a First Down) being taken off the board for a hold that even high school players know they can't get away with. This was a swing of 21 yards in field position, putting us behind the chains with our backs against the endzone.

Gibson and Thomas both dropped balls that, while not perfect, were absolutely catchable without having to do something highlight worthy. Both were first down plays that left the offense in 2nd and 10 situations and the Giants teed off.

We had 6 penalties for 40 yards, which on the surface isn't bad but two of those penalties erased enough points to tie this game up and in so doing prevented even the attempt to add a go-ahead extra point. Penalties also killed the first drive in scoring position and forced us to settle for a Slye FG rather than a TD.

In the end analysis, I saw the Giants use what they learned about us 2 weeks ago to gain an advantage while we appeared to think that we could use the same game plan and just show up. That is an indictment of the coaching staff.

Yes, the officials were horrible but we still had enough chances to win.
 
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The defensive line is the most overrated unit on this team. Sure, they can beat up on bad teams(Washington is one of those too) but in the spotlight,in a big game, they come up small.
 
Logan Thomas can go away and I'd be alright with it. He's never gotten back to form and he's now costing us too much to put up with it.
 
So if I understand the criticism of the defense correctly, it’s that they didn’t force turnovers and do enough to win the game for the inept offense. The Giants had one drive all night where they took it to the defense. It was the 18 play 97 yds drive that ended in a TD before half. The other two FG drives, the defense stepped up and made plays to hold them to a FG. Otherwise, the defense did its job. They gave up 13 points and less than 300 yds. Those number should win you the game every time.

When they don’t win is when the offense has a fumble at their own goal line and it becomes a TD for the other team. And when you have the ball inside the 10 twice and score zero points.
 
So if I understand the criticism of the defense correctly, it’s that they didn’t force turnovers and do enough to win the game for the inept offense. The Giants had one drive all night where they took it to the defense. It was the 18 play 97 yds drive that ended in a TD before half. The other two FG drives, the defense stepped up and made plays to hold them to a FG. Otherwise, the defense did its job. They gave up 13 points and less than 300 yds. Those number should win you the game every time.

When they don’t win is when the offense has a fumble at their own goal line and it becomes a TD for the other team. And when you have the ball inside the 10 twice and score zero points.

I think that's a very good point and probably right Kel. It's kind of a pick your poison deal when we are up against Daniel Jones. If we don't make our primary focus 'containing' him (as in game 1) he is going to make some plays that hurt you with his feet. If you make 'containing' him your primary focus, he's going to get rid of the ball and kill you with the short passing game. That's what happened last night. He was relatively contained last night (10 rushes for 35 yds as opposed to 12 for 71 in game 1) but he shredded us in the short passing game. We literally could not stop him.

In retrospect, I think our better bet to win was to try and unleash pressure hell on him knowing there would be times he would escape. It was death by 1000 cuts last night. Daniel Jones is a very accurate passer and our 'gameplan' played right into his strengths.
 
Luckily for Rivera the officiating at the end will give cover for the fact that Washington was out-coached on both sides of the ball.
 
I leveled more criticism on the offensive side than the defensive side, Kel.
 
The only man capable of holding BRob to under 100 yards is Scott Turner. Poor Turner has his head buried in his down and distance sheet. Never appears to be watching what the rest of us are watching.
 
Who needs more than 1 NFL level linebacker?

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Losing Cole Holcomb has been a big problem for us.
 
I leveled more criticism on the offensive side than the defensive side, Kel.
I know you did. I’m not specifically pointing out any one persons criticism. I’ve just seen a lot of criticism of the defense and ultimately what they produced in the game should have been good enough to win.
 
Wound - meet Salt...


 

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