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[Fear The Spear]

I really feel like they ended the Mir fight too soon. He was dazed, but he was never "out".

I really wish dumb ass Overeem wouldn't have been caught with too much testosterone in his system, he really is the best HW in the world!

So, how can you say that a cheater is the best ?

 

[Elephant]

I really feel like they ended the Mir fight too soon. He was dazed, but he was never "out".

No. Mir was out. He was lying on his back about to truly get beaten and not defending himself. Herb Dean had to stop the onslaught! He jumped in at exactly the right time.

So, how can you say that a cheater is the best ?

Loaded question not even worth discussing.

 

[McD5]

I thought Mir basically quit. Once he couldn't get him to the ground, it was over.

 

[Elephant]

I thought Mir basically quit. Once he couldn't get him to the ground, it was over.

It looked that way to me as well. After his only attempt to get Dos Santos to the ground, he got caught with a couple good shots that seemed to make him afraid to get inside Dos Santos' range. Mir should have tried to put some of his weight on JDS, put him up against the cage, wear on him a little and then try to get him to the ground.

I am shocked that a boxer is having such success in MMA. I probably shouldn't be since they are heavy weights, but JDS has won every fight with his boxing ability not needing any other weapon in his arsenal.

 

[McD5]

I am shocked that a boxer is having such success in MMA. I probably shouldn't be since they are heavy weights, but JDS has won every fight with his boxing ability not needing any other weapon in his arsenal.

I'm not surprised. Although you are right that this is only a trend that has started recently. I think it's for two reasons:

As the sport has evolved, skills of course have evolved. One of those being takedown defense. Gone are the days where a guy like Matt Hughes was guaranteed to be able to take a guy down over and over, and then ground and pound. Just like when you and I used to fight in high school, fights always seemed to eventually go to the ground in MMA. Fighters now place extra emphasis on sprawling and other techniques do avoid getting destroyed by more dominant wrestlers.

I believe the second reason is that because wrestling has been emphasized so much, that it has simply gone too far in that direction. Meaning, how often do you see fighters holding their hands too low? I see it all the time. This opens up huge opportunity for a fighter to land clean punches.

If a guy can't be taken down, and he's a great boxer, then his opponent is in serious trouble. Especially if he constantly drops his hands.

That's a new twist that we really haven't seen before. At least it's what I'm seeing.

 

[Elephant]

To be honest, this is what they want because the average MMA fan doesn't want to see a chess match on the ground. You see it all the time. When they are on the ground or even up against the cage maneuvering for position, you hear the boo-birds come out almost immediately. And while everyone likes to see a good KO, that is not MMA, Gracie proved that from the very beginning.

I have a friend who has stopped watching UFC altogether because he thinks it's fixed for the very topic we are discussing. He thinks fighters are being told to box or strike more because that is what fans want to see.

Who knows? All I know is, for anyone to beat Dos Santos, they are going to have to get his heavy hands on the ground defending submissions instead of getting that stiff jab going early.

 

[McD5]

To be honest El, I've watched wrestlers have the upper hand for the last twenty years now. A good boxer only had a "punchers chance" against someone with a solid ground game.

Royce Gracie opened everyone's eyes in this country, and fighters who could only punch were forced to learn wrestling and BJJ--or get destroyed.

Now it seems that almost every fighter has a respectable ground game. They've all adapted.

I kind of like to see today's fighters now having to improve their striking, and striking defense. That part of the game has been neglected for so long. Even to the point where it could be argued that today's fighters really aren't complete fighters anymore, because they don't know the sweet science.

I find it refreshing.

 

[McD5]

And I agree on JDS. You had better get him to the ground quickly. Or up against the cage for a Randy Couture clinch, or a Bones Jones standing choke.

But before you get him down, you had better have your hands by your ears, and you had better learn how to defend in boxing.

I think that's a good thing. It will just make the fighters even more well-rounded.

 

[Fear The Spear]

And I agree on JDS. You had better get him to the ground quickly. Or up against the cage for a Randy Couture clinch, or a Bones Jones standing choke.

You have a much better chance at getting him against the cage. His takedown defense is the best I've ever seen.

 

[Fear The Spear]

For those who think Ray Nelson has a belly, they need to check out this guy, Alexandru Lungu - his belly just flops down to his knees.....and still dominates.....and extremely agile for his size

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt57QVb_onc[/media]

 

[Fear The Spear]

Anyone heard this reasoning for why Chael lost to Silva the first time ?
I found this in a youtube comment about a Chael video.
Apparently Silva has a "secret weapon" that no-one knew about.
Is this a legal weapon in UFC ?

"That dirty dog Silva repeatedly bottom burped during the last fight; Chael said it was like rotten eggs & tear gas combined, and Anderson smirked about it knowing it was foul. Not saying it had an outcome on the fight but Silva better not do that this time and repeatedly bottom burp during the match, that is way out of line and not sportsmanlike."

 

[McD5]

I'm looking forward to the fights tonight. Who is everyone pulling for?

 

[Elephant]

Right there with ya Mike so I am rooting for the American in this one.

 

[Elephant]

Im also rooting for Forrest
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Yeah him too...

 

[SkinsOrlando]

I agree Mike, the pre-lims were rather lackluster and now Ive lost the main feed to the fight, dammit.

 

[McD5]

I thought Tito got robbed in that decision. Overall, some decent fights.

 

[Fear The Spear]

Faber/Barao headlining tonight.
But the most intriguing fight may be Lombard/Boetsch.....not necessarily because it would be a close fight (because it probably won't), but because Lombard is an excellent prospect who could seriously contend or challenge for Anderson Silva's belt, in the near future.

 

[Fear The Spear]

Most boring card ever. From start to finish
What a snoozefest

 

[Elephant]

They're putting them too close together and there's no real great fight.
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There were fights last night?

 

[Fear The Spear]

There were fights last night?

I thought they were dances at first.....thought I was watching "So You Think You Can Dance".....It wasn't until later that I realized it was "So You Think You Can Fight ? Not ! "