Let's Make a Deal: The Trade Thread

This may be cope, but something people aren’t taking into consideration when it comes to Tunsil’s arguable false start issue:

We are the team perhaps least affected by this potential downside across the league. We’re a 4-down offense more than anyone in history ever has been. Sacks and penalties hurt us in the RZ, but otherwise we were often able to overcome knowing we were fine utilizing an extra down and being historically good at it via our historically good young QB. 5 yard false starts are much more easily overcome than holding penalties and face masks from dudes getting whipped at the snap.

We did things on 4th down that have never been seen before in this league, at a frequency that has never been seen before. That’s a part of our identity imo, not just a fluke thing in a magical season.

The way the Eagles have a cheat code with the tush push that shames the entire league…we have that edge on 4th down. An elite LT added to that?? Whew
 
We've been focusing on his pass blocking prowess. Is Tunsil also a good run blocker? I figure he must be if he's a five time pro bowler.
 
I've posted some You Tube highlights in the Tunsil thread
 
The last three years his pass blocking grades from PFF have been 89, 85, and 92. His run blocking grades have been 74, 61, and 66. He is fine as a run blocker, but not elite. He finishes in the top 10 almost every year amongst tackles in pass blocking and most years in the top 3 or 4.
 
$21M for 2025 and 2026? 😍

How much are some of the other premiere tackles making the next 2 years?
 
I don’t know anything about Tunsil, but I do know we’ve never found a replacement for Trent Williams, so hopefully he’s it.

In general, I would much rather have a star at LT than any skill position besides quarterback. Games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage, and God just didn’t make nearly as many 6’5” 320 lb athletes as he did skinny guys who can run a 4.4 40. So, I like the move from that perspective.
 
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ESPN has a trade analysis article behind a paywall, but the gist is something I agree with - this is a fairly even trade that maybe gets worse for the Commanders if they end up restructuring Tunsil and losing the contract value. Looking at the raw numbers and value as they appear right now that's a hefty price in picks that was paid. If I am the Texans, this is a trade I am OK making under their circumstances; sucks to lose a premier LT, but the amount of picks the Commanders gave makes it a move worth making in their situation.

I wish we didn't have quite this many third round and above draft picks going their way. It could obviously work out for the Commanders, but from my perspective the better lock of a winner in this is the Texans; there are so many picks there, a reasonably talented GM is going to turn that into big value.

Again, I do like getting Tunsil under the Commanders circumstances and current market; but just being real, the amount of picks we gave up is pretty significant. That has to be said, too.
 
SkinsNumberOne said:
ESPN has a trade analysis article behind a paywall, but the gist is something I agree with - this is a fairly even trade that maybe gets worse for the Commanders if they end up restructuring Tunsil and losing the contract value. Looking at the raw numbers and value as they appear right now that's a hefty price in picks that was paid. If I am the Texans, this is a trade I am OK making under their circumstances; sucks to lose a premier LT, but the amount of picks the Commanders gave makes it a move worth making in their situation.

I wish we didn't have quite this many third round and above draft picks going their way. It could obviously work out for the Commanders, but from my perspective the better lock of a winner in this is the Texans; there are so many picks there, a reasonably talented GM is going to turn that into big value.

Again, I do like getting Tunsil under the Commanders circumstances and current market; but just being real, the amount of picks we gave up is pretty significant. That has to be said, too.
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We essentially gave up three picks over two years: a second rounder (hopefully it will be a late one, but we don't know where we will pick in the second round next year), a mid third rounder (I think 88--it was the Dolphins third rounder), and a 7th rounder. For a top 10 LT that is a reasonable haul. I have no regrets. That said we also gave a 3rd, 4th, and 6th (while getting back the fifth we used for Deebo) on Marshon Lattimore and and a 5th on Deebo, so we have traded a lot of draft capital for three older veterans. I think we should be done with the trades for veterans at this point. But of the three trades, I think I like this one the best--simply because Tackle is harder to find then corner or receiver help.

Edit: The 3rd rounder is pick 79
 
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I think in the modern NFL there are four priority positions.

QB
LT
Pass Rusher (I think this can be DE or outside linebacker, but it's that guy who disrupts the cornerback and requires a double team at least every play)
CB

With the trade, we theoretically have three of the four positions taken care of with potentially elite players. We have the QB, we have the LT, and if Lattimore gets his mojo and health straight then we have the corner. That's pretty sweet. If Tunsil remains an elite LT, he's worth the draft picks. Right now, he's arguably the second best left tackle in the league at possibly the second most important position on a team. My only disappointment is I wanted to see Coleman grow into that position and be that draft gem, but if he becomes entrenched at RT or G then it's still a great third round pick.
 
SkinsNumberOne said:
ESPN has a trade analysis article behind a paywall, but the gist is something I agree with - this is a fairly even trade that maybe gets worse for the Commanders if they end up restructuring Tunsil and losing the contract value. Looking at the raw numbers and value as they appear right now that's a hefty price in picks that was paid. If I am the Texans, this is a trade I am OK making under their circumstances; sucks to lose a premier LT, but the amount of picks the Commanders gave makes it a move worth making in their situation.

I wish we didn't have quite this many third round and above draft picks going their way. It could obviously work out for the Commanders, but from my perspective the better lock of a winner in this is the Texans; there are so many picks there, a reasonably talented GM is going to turn that into big value.

Again, I do like getting Tunsil under the Commanders circumstances and current market; but just being real, the amount of picks we gave up is pretty significant. That has to be said, too.
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I actually do think you’re overstating the draft capital that we gave

2025: We traded down from the 3rd to the 4th, keeping a pick in the meaty part of the draft where tons of value will exist at our positions of need (imo). Oh and we threw in a priority UDFA pickup in that 7th rounder.

2026. The future 2nd. This is the only really premium capital we gave up, and we hope it’ll be later obviously. The is the real cost of the trade and I think most would agree it was worth it. And a future 4th. Easily recouped through trade back if we desire

Extremely affordable imo. The Texans will regret this unless Tunsil all of a sudden develops injury issues
 
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I actually do think you’re overstating the draft capital that we gave

2025: We traded down from the 3rd to the 4th, keeping a pick in the meaty part of the draft where tons of value will exist at our positions of need (imo). Oh and we threw in a priority UDFA pickup in that 7th rounder.

2026. The future 2nd. This is the only really premium capital we gave up, and we hope it’ll be later obviously. The is the real cost of the trade and I think most would agree it was worth it. And a future 4th. Easily recouped through trade back if we desire

Extremely affordable imo. The Texans will regret this unless Tunsil all of a sudden develops injury issues
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I don't think it's a "bad" trade. I think it's roughly even. I think the grade that one ESPN dude gave the Texans was B, and us a B- with a caveat that we would fall if we needed to restructure (a big part of the value here is the existing contract for Tunsil).

That is pretty close to my evaluation, although I would probably put it as even. I think the amount of picks actually does roughly equate to the value of a strong LT. The amount of risk associated with one veteran guy (injury risk, contract issues) that tend to be much less with ONE rookie (much less multiple where injury risk is now mitigated across multiple players), it's quite a lot. Yes, he has not had any injuries, which is why for me the eval is even here.

Here is a blurb from a Texans blog:
Tunsil does none of those things. At each opportunity he has fought to be the highest paid left tackle in the business. He is concerned with how he is perceived by rating systems like PFF. He seemingly takes days off every week for whatever reason. Reportedly, coaches have to beg him to participate in voluntary activities. While he is a brilliant pass protector, he is not exactly a willing run blocker or physical presence on the line.
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I am not so worried about the other comments, but the underlined portion (emphasis mine) is concerning. This trade's value drops in any clean, honest evaluation if that happens here. as soon as next year (contract year). The aggressive guys sit out practice, threaten to sit out the season, etc.
 
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