Kirk Cousins Development Tracker

[Boone]

Kirk got a monkey off his back.

My only gripes:

1) He threw a pick-6 that was dropped.
2) We should've come away with more than 20 points. Bad defense, 3 INTs, Tress Way giving us field advantage.

Yes - blind luck that pick was dropped. I will have to ask though, how many times is McVay going to call that play and see it picked 6 or nearly picked 6 before he rethinks it. Cousins does not have a rocket arm - and you need a rocket arm to consistently and safely make that pass. On top of that, we're calling that play against one of the best corners in the league? It was a dumb play and a dumb pass and we were lucky it didn't cost us.

Also agree on the INTs, although people who say we 'got nothing' from them miss the obvious point that they crushed Giants drives. But you have to get points from those takeaways. Most times, those are the points that would've made the difference in the won-loss column. We got away with it yesterday.

Btw - anyone have any idea how many takeaways we've had this year? I can't remember getting this many INTs in a long time.

 

[Bulldog]

What's amusing to me is that Rodgers or Brady can go out there and have a guy drop a pick 6 and after the game nobody mentions it.

Why? Because it's part of the game.

The 'almost' plays 🤓

But some folks here seem to cling to these types of plays when Kirk is out there to to try and hold back any acknowledgment of his improvement during the season.

We almost lost Super Bowl 17 on a batted ball that Kim Bokamper ALMOST caught at the line of scrimmage with a clear field in front of him for what would have been a sure TD.

But how many people looking back on the outcome of that game talk about that play?

 

[Elephant]

I know everyone keeps saying we need another WR, but I'm not sure Scot will go that route. I'd say we should be prepared for more help along the OLine, and a big focus on the D in the draft. If there is a transformational WR available when we draft, maybe he pulls the trigger. But if you go back and look at the superb WRs over the last ten years (Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc), you'll see many more playoff-less years than playoff runs.

I think Scot will be content with Kirk, as he should be. I personally have done a 180 on Kirk, and am excited to see if he can take the next step in his development: winning on the road. Scot will add some help on the OLine I would guess, but will probably mostly concentrate on the D. I would guess we'll pickup an additional WR in the 4-6th rounds, ala Crowder (especially if another good one falls), but I don't see that position being a major point of emphasis.

I don't think drafting WR early in the draft is what we need or what anyone is considering, unless there is someone we cannot turn down. I think the current crop of WR's would benefit tremendously with an Anquan Boldin type of veteran...one that would sign for a realistic contract, take a chance on a later round player, develop the younger guys like Crowder, bring back Jackson (Maybe re-work contract if we can), Garcon and another reasonable, reliable vet.

And while I am inclined to see Jackson hit the road (injury concerns), Smoot Point is correct about his abilities opening up our offense...keeping him should be a priority. Crowder is no Jackson, Ross and Grant cannot get open, so we have no other deep threat.

 

[fansince62]

vis WR conversation: what about run blocking? too many smurfs IMO have played a role in impacting the running game.

 

[fansince62]

What's amusing to me is that Rodgers or Brady can go out there and have a guy drop a pick 6 and after the game nobody mentions it.

Why? Because it's part of the game.

The 'almost' plays ��

But some folks here seem to cling to these types of plays when Kirk is out there to to try and hold back any acknowledgment of his improvement during the season.

We almost lost Super Bowl 17 on a batted ball that Kim Bokamper ALMOST caught at the line of scrimmage with a clear field in front of him for what would have been a sure TD.

But how many people looking back on the outcome of that game talk about that play?

there's a difference between established stars and developing players with checkered track records.

for myself...I'm willing to lean into that issue being resolved.....the major difference I see is that when out of a normal rhythm Cousins doesn't have the arm strength that the Rodgers/Brady's have to make a play happen. juts me - I can see it. that can be overcome by developing an O-line that is rock solid in pass blocking - if we are willing to pay for that and give up strength elsewhere.

 

[servumtuum]

Btw - anyone have any idea how many takeaways we've had this year? I can't remember getting this many INTs in a long time.

According to nfl.com's stat pages today, the Redskins have:

Intercepted 12 passes-good for a four way tie for the 8th most number of team INTs.-The Panthers lead the league with 18 INTs

The Redskins, by the way, have been intercepted 10 times so we're, perhaps surprisingly, on the plus side of INTs.

12 defensive forced fumbles (8 were recovered by us)-good for a four-way tie for the fifth highest number of forced fumbles-The Rams, Eagles, and Bucs are tied for the league high at 16 forced fumbles. Go figure.

Offensively, as you might expect, we are tied for the second highest number of offensive fumbles at 19-tied with the Raiders. We recovered 9 of those 19 fumbles and lost 10. The Bills are the worst at 21 offensive fumbles.


We are at -2 in the giveaway/takeaway difference-again the Panthers, no surprise, lead the league at +16

A note: our beloved adversary the delightful Cowbums are at the bottom of the league at -12. May they keep up their stellar work next Sunday.

 

[Om]

What's amusing to me is that Rodgers or Brady can go out there and have a guy drop a pick 6 and after the game nobody mentions it.

Why? Because it's part of the game.

The 'almost' plays 邏

But some folks here seem to cling to these types of plays when Kirk is out there to to try and hold back any acknowledgment of his improvement during the season.

We almost lost Super Bowl 17 on a batted ball that Kim Bokamper ALMOST caught at the line of scrimmage with a clear field in front of him for what would have been a sure TD.

But how many people looking back on the outcome of that game talk about that play?

Me.

I've said it for years ... biggest play of Theismann's career, and arguably the play that saved our first Super Bowl.

Late 3rd quarter, we're down 17-13 (at 13:00):

 

[Neophyte]

What's amusing to me is that Rodgers or Brady can go out there and have a guy drop a pick 6 and after the game nobody mentions it.

Why? Because it's part of the game.

The 'almost' plays ��

But some folks here seem to cling to these types of plays when Kirk is out there to to try and hold back any acknowledgment of his improvement during the season.

We almost lost Super Bowl 17 on a batted ball that Kim Bokamper ALMOST caught at the line of scrimmage with a clear field in front of him for what would have been a sure TD.

But how many people looking back on the outcome of that game talk about that play?

People talk about Griff's rookie year and the low number of INTs he threw, myself included. What most brush off or don't remember is the he had as many INTs dropped as he did caught. Granted, even doubling his INT numbers is damn impressive for a rookie but still. There was a lot of luck in his only having 5.

Am I happy Kirk nearly threw one yesterday? No. Do I understand that it happens that way sometimes and even the best get away with them? Yes, I do. And a year from now I likely won't remember the near miss yesterday.

 

[stevenaa]

Me.

I've said it for years ... biggest play of Theismann's career, and arguably the play that saved our first Super Bowl.

Late 3rd quarter, we're down 17-13 (at 13:00):

Joey T. the DB

 

[TomE]

Me.

I've said it for years ... biggest play of Theismann's career, and arguably the play that saved our first Super Bowl.

Yeah, almost dropped a load on that play, JoeT done good on that one.

 

[Fear The Spear]

People talk about Griff's rookie year and the low number of INTs he threw, myself included. What most brush off or don't remember is the he had as many INTs dropped as he did caught. Granted, even doubling his INT numbers is damn impressive for a rookie but still. There was a lot of luck in his only having 5.

Am I happy Kirk nearly threw one yesterday? No. Do I understand that it happens that way sometimes and even the best get away with them? Yes, I do. And a year from now I likely won't remember the near miss yesterday.

Another irony is that, immediately after a game in which Kirk throws an interception or 2 that were clearly not his fault (bouncing off the receivers' chest or hands, then intercepted), people will acknowledge he wasn't to blame. But give it a week or 2, or sometime later in that year, they completely forget about those, and then bring up his Interception Total, without adjusting for the ones that weren't his fault

 

[TomE]

Fear, that's the demon part of stats, while they keep finite records for future referral and study they miss the actual 'art' of playing the game.
Sorta like a camera that saves all of the stats of a picture, it can show time, date and settings but we have no idea what it looks like without actually seeing the output.

 

[fansince62]

Fear, that's the demon part of stats, while they keep finite records for future referral and study they miss the actual 'art' of playing the game.
Sorta like a camera that saves all of the stats of a picture, it can show time, date and settings but we have no idea what it looks like without actually seeing the output.

not only that: just like stats.....pictures can be enhanced to create a more beatific view than warranted by nature herself!

 

[fansince62]

Another irony is that, immediately after a game in which Kirk throws an interception or 2 that were clearly not his fault (bouncing off the receivers' chest or hands, then intercepted), people will acknowledge he wasn't to blame. But give it a week or 2, or sometime later in that year, they completely forget about those, and then bring up his Interception Total, without adjusting for the ones that weren't his fault

the problems with making granular judgements like the one you are apparently recommending:

1) they are often subjective, agenda driven or simplistic.

2) the folks making them are wildly inconsistent in where and when they chose to apply the excuses (that shines through over the course of posting time!). in other quarters, this is sometimes categorized under the agricultural term "cherry-picking".

 

[Fear The Spear]

So, now I'm "granular"
Well, being called that, is a first for me.
Though it wouldn't be the first time, someone compared me to sugar.

 

[Boone]

No one here has any more of an 'agenda' here than you do fan. Can we enjoy a huge win for 48 hours without the running narrative?


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[TomE]

not only that: just like stats.....pictures can be enhanced to create a more beatific view than warranted by nature herself!

Yes, it is all in the eye and the manipulation but a keen observer can spot distortion and see the 'real'.

Of course, the observer has perspective, if that perspective is biased then the 'real' might not be really real except to those who share the same bias.

Unbiased observation is as rare as true reality itself so we all muddle along modifying our perspectives to suit our comforts.

The comfort of the largest collective is probably the closest to unbiased as we're going to get.

Think Scot acknowledges this comfort and is the best observer we've had in a while.

But occasionally just rolling the dice makes sense too

 

[Bulldog]

Developing players always have 'checkered' pasts in that they have yet to exhibit consistency over time.

It's a given.

The most important thing in re Cousins so far is he has had the stones to continue competing and clawing away in these games.

From the comebacks against the Eagles and Bucs to forcing overtime against Atlanta, and last week completing those last 2 passes to ensure the Giants were not going to have time to come back and win.

 

[fansince62]

So, now I'm "granular"
Well, being called that, is a first for me.
Though it wouldn't be the first time, someone compared me to sugar.

granular judgments. but if you want your callsign to be granular (assuming this isn't an anatomical reference) I can accommodate you!

got it sugar?!

all in good fun. working on the assumption that modesty prevents you from posting the callsign you have for me!

 

[fansince62]

Yes, it is all in the eye and the manipulation but a keen observer can spot distortion and see the 'real'.

Of course, the observer has perspective, if that perspective is biased then the 'real' might not be really real except to those who share the same bias.

Unbiased observation is as rare as true reality itself so we all muddle along modifying our perspectives to suit our comforts.

The comfort of the largest collective is probably the closest to unbiased as we're going to get.

Think Scot acknowledges this comfort and is the best observer we've had in a while.

But occasionally just rolling the dice makes sense too
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ok wise guy (j/k). you're forcing me to a favorite simile I have used before:

how is a statistician like a drunk leaning against a lamp post?

the lamp post is used for support rather than illumination.