Jarvis Jenkins Suspended

[Special K]

This sucks and is gonna hurt, but Jenkins has no one to blame but himself. Unless you're a naive high school athlete, the athlete is absolutely responsible for what is put in his/her body. It's not THAT extremely difficult to maneuver your way through the supplement world as a professional athlete. I really have no sympathy for guys testing positive for PED's. I certainly don't think they're bad people, but the onus is on them to know exactly what is being put into their body.

 

[Special K]

Personally, I think the NFL has gone bat-****-crazy with the lists of banned substances. They are doing to effort to stop PEDs a disservice by going so ridiculously overboard. Just my opinion.

Definitely agree with this, and it's not just the NFL, it's most all of the organizations monitoring PED use these days.

Just a personal example: My ex-husband was a greco-roman wrestler on Team USA and we had drug testers coming to our house all the time. I still remember him coming out of his 2nd ACL surgery in 2010 and not being able to take the frickin prescription of Percocet the doc had written him. This was the official US Olympic team doc knee specialist and he still wrote the Rx, not sure if he forgot or was unaware it was a banned substance. I didn't know it was banned either, obviously I just left all the supplement/Rx stuff up to my husband to deal with. Anyway, I still remember bringing him home from surgery, getting him settled, setting his medication out for him and luckily he was with it enough to look at the Rx bottle and tell me it was banned. THAT is the kind of crap that is ridiculous. You've got an athlete post-op with his nerve block wearing off and he can't even take the Rx a surgeon routinely prescribes for acute post-op pain from a major reconstructive surgery? That's ridiculous.

 

[Special K]

So he tested positive for a PED?

As far as I know it wasn't reported yet what it was. And that makes all the difference

Substance that "violated" PED policy, my bad, lol. I don't see what difference it makes though: a banned substance is a banned substance, right? Or how are you differentiating?

 

[Fear The Spear]

I agree, but envision he's working out with a friend who offers him a recovery drink. 'What is it?'. 'Just a protein shake with some amino acids'.

Most likely someone posing as a friend, who is really being paid off by Mara

 

[fansince62]

if it was adderal or something like that I could understand. But if hes drinking a shake that has globalytolye in it and that happens to have something that is banned...this **** will continue to happen.

that was my point as well: the PA needs to protect the players from the unknown.

 

[Jugband McGillicuddy]

So he tested positive for a PED?

As far as I know it wasn't reported yet what it was. And that makes all the difference

He violated the policy against "performance enhancing substances."

So unless he was trying to enhance his ability to eat Cheetos, it wasn't weed.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

the vast majority of these guys take banned substances anyway, what they need to do is just make it open.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

I was part of an experiment at the U of A where they gave us elk antler velvet, less than a year later it was a banned substance. just sayin

 

[Chris]

Looking at the physiques in the NFL, it is clear that most have attained such bodies by genetic inheritance, hard work, and eating all of their vegetables.

If the league really wanted to eliminate performance enhancers, supplements legally available to the average Joe at GNC would be the least of their worries.

 

[Dead Money]

Slow your role, buckaroo. No need for your chippy attitude just because your sky is falling.

I'm pretty sure that most of it is called performance enhancing unless its a recreational drug. They all "enhance performance" if they are banned.

Even if the only performance enhanced is your will to play xbox until 5am and eat White Castle?

NFL's substance abuse and performance-enhancing drugs policies

POSTED: 07/23/2013 12:01:00 AM MDT
UPDATED: 07/23/2013 12:28:51 AM MDT​

By Jeff Legwold
The Denver Post

Roger Goodell (Associated Press file)


The NFL has separate policies covering substance abuse and performance-enhancing drugs. The two policies differ in enforcement. A look:

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In the PED policy, players are tested at the scouting combine before their rookie seasons. Once they are in the league, players can be tested in the offseason, during the season and in the postseason.

A positive test results in an immediate four-game suspension.
Players can appeal the suspension within five business days of receiving "notice of discipline" from NFL.

The first positive test for a "substance of abuse" results in the player formally entering an enhanced testing/treatment program, where the player is tested more frequently.

A second positive test results in the player entering the "stages of intervention" outlined in the policy. "Stage 1" is the first stage in the policy and includes the player being referred to a "Regional Team" for his treatment. In Stage 1, the player can be tested as many times as the league's "Medical Director" desires to "adequately evaluate the player."
A positive test while in Stage 1 can result in a fine equal to three weeks of a player's pay and results in entrance to Stage 2.
A player remains under Stage 1 guidelines for 90 days, but the league's Medical Director can extend that time up to six months.
In Stage 2, players are subject to unannounced testing up to 10 times a month. A positive test while in Stage 2 or failure to comply with the treatment program results in a fine equal to four game checks and a four-game suspension.
Six-game suspensions are also possible in Stage 2.
Players can appeal the fine and suspension within five business days of receiving the "notice of discipline."
Players remain in Stage 2 for two full seasons or 24 consecutive months, whichever is shorter.
Players move to Stage 3 if they have two positive tests when in Stage 2 or one positive test to go with one instance when the player failed to comply with the program.
Players who are placed into Stage 3 remain in Stage 3 for the remainder of their careers.
The minimum suspension for a violation in Stage 3 is a calendar year.



Read more: NFL's substance abuse and performance-enhancing drugs policies - The Denver Post NFL's substance abuse and performance-enhancing drugs policies - The Denver Post

 

[Terry]

the vast majority of these guys take banned substances anyway, what they need to do is just make it open.

My guess is that if that's true, more guys would be getting caught.

I think most of these guys take supplements and being athletes in a violent sport, medication (otc or otherwise) for pain. And I suspect that there is a very thin line chemically between what is banned and what available to the average person or play through legitimate sources.

And I also wonder if some of these guys are failing not because of actual PEDs but because of something that is considered a masking agent showing up in their sample.

 

[Special K]

Slow your role, buckaroo. No need for your chippy attitude just because your sky is falling.

I'm pretty sure that most of it is called performance enhancing unless its a recreational drug. They all "enhance performance" if they are banned.

Marijuana is considered a PED, not just a "banned recreational drug" in many organizations' PED policies.

 

[tshile]

Let's suppose for a second that Mara is using the competition committee to go after the Redskins for whatever reason. Let's just take that as fact for a minute.

You still have people on the team breaking the rules. You still have pro athletes making childish decisions (I suppose they are young.) They have a list, the team has trainers that can clear things, and apparently these things in GNC have a sticker on them that marks them as cleared by the NFL.

This isn't a new issue with Mara. Everyone on the team knows the history. So maybe I give a pass on the guys 2 years ago that got caught by being unfairly targeted - even though they still broke the rules. But now? We're coming off a division championship with the most dynamic play maker in the league at quarterback in a division where the opponents are anything but sure-fire locks for the playoffs. You're on a defense that ranked near the bottom in NFL history last year.

There is no excuse. Mara and the competition committee are not an excuse. These guys know better and for whatever reason aren't going about getting their supplements the right way - and that's assuming they're not intentionally taking PED's, which is a huge assumption in sports these days.

Dude dropped the ball big time. This team needs D linemen, linebackers, corners, and safeties big time. A solid defense and last year's offense is all this team needs to be really competitive in the NFC - everyone on the team knows that. Shanahan went over all this in the OTA's with them, it was reported the stats and numbers he showed them.

At some point in time the staff has to start putting in real consequences for this stuff. The suspensions aren't doing it, the lectures aren't doing it. These guys are getting off from team punishment solely because the team can't afford to not have as many option as possible on defense.

 

[Snydershrugged]

at least this came out now and not the day before the season starts or something (Im really trying to be glass half full, but its hard)

 

[Ax]

Apparently, Jarvis ****ferbrains Jenkins, didn't do what the NFL, via the Redskins, tell all their players, every year. Avoid ANY & ALL supplements, that do not carry the NSF label.
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No, this is not fatal. It's just disappointing that someone can be so goddamn lazy, and stupid.

 

[Jimbo]

I agree, but envision he's working out with a friend who offers him a recovery drink. 'What is it?'. 'Just a protein shake with some amino acids'. Not saying that's what happened, but it could be something that simple. Is it stupid? Yeah. Could it happen despite a players best intentions? I think so.

Personally, I think the NFL has gone bat-****-crazy with the lists of banned substances. They are doing to effort to stop PEDs a disservice by going so ridiculously overboard. Just my opinion.

I wish I could find the article I read about how the NFL compiled their list of "PED's" to ban. I remember it stating that several substances on the list have NOT proven to enhance performance or there has not been enough research done on them to prove they enhance performance. The NFL went ahead and added them to the list anyway. If that's not bat-****-crazy, I don't know what is.

Fans pay big bucks to see the team put it's best players on the field. While I don't want anabolic steroids allowed, I still think HGH should be allowed to be administered by the training staff ONLY for players recovering from injuries. If it can help them get back on the field faster, what is the harm. Speculation has run rampant that Adrian Peterson was using HGH in his recovery. He swears he didn't but even if he did, I don't have a problem with it because it got him back on the field quickly. Still, I want it to ONLY be done with a trainer overseeing it and with the permission of the league. I'm sure that won't ever happen but it should.

As far as JJ is concerned, I believe him that it wasn't intentional. Stupid? Perhaps, but not intentional. I refuse to pass judgement without all the facts. Bong hits are stupid. Banned obscure substances, perhaps from supplements, perhaps not, are a mistake. He'll learn and we'll move on.

 

[tshile]

The list isn't just for performance enhancing drugs, its also for things that mask those drugs or otherwise interfere with the tests. The reports in the radio this morning were that what Jenkins said he took was a masking substance that messes with the tests.

 

[Special K]

The list isn't just for performance enhancing drugs, its also for things that mask those drugs or otherwise interfere with the tests. The reports in the radio this morning were that what Jenkins said he took was a masking substance that messes with the tests.

That is the same difference to me. If a masking agent is found and a PED is not confirmed, well, the masking agent worked. Doesn't mean he did PEDs, doesn't mean he didn't.

Bottom line, guy screwed up. Hopefully he learns from this and it never happens again. I hope others on the team learn from this as well.

 

[Terry]

Sure Jell is a masking agent, so that means he can't eat any jellos, jams, pies, ice creams, yogurts or anything with processed fruit in it?

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[tshile]

*** FOR RELEASE ***
An NFL spokesman said today that a new item is being added to the league's policy on performance enhancing and banned substances. The list was distributed to team officials this morning to be posted in locker rooms and with trainers. In addition to the NSF label players are being advised to look for a CBR label on all products sold at GNC. The new label stands for Consumed By Redskins. There is a new organization dedicated towards monitoring the supplements used by Redskins players so that the labels may be placed accordingly. Any substance used by Redskins players is considered one worthy of a 4 game suspension. There will be a 7 day grace period for players.