Is it time to sit JD?

[Riggo44]

They were officially eliminated from the playoffs. They were witness to a gruesome Ertz injury that likely ended his career. Jayden clearly wasn’t/isnt 100%.

Think about how many seasons have ended on that turf at MetLife. My guess is AP met with DQ and told him to shut it down, based on the change in verbiage Dan used today.

Or Quinn said "yeah he's not playing on Mara's Corner Kick level turf"

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

Or Quinn said "yeah he's not playing on Mara's Corner Kick level turf"

Just piecing together Dan’s comments and the change in messaging over the past few days, it’s likely he needed prodded in that direction.

it’s a good thing that Jayden isn’t like the guy that many folks have been comparing him to. This would and honestly still could get ugly. Reporting he could have retuned on Sunday, and then three days later saying the doctors want him held out on Sunday, is mixed messaging for sure. One thing is for certain, both Jayden and Quinn, would prefer Jayden plays. Whether that’s the right thing to do or not remains in question.

 

[Riggo44]

Wholly agree, the mixed messaging is frustrating. I try not to get into speculation and passing off my opinion as fact. It's strange though.

 

[Conn]

He fell directly onto his dislocated “healed” elbow multiple times and eventually had to fully come out. The idea that with the adrenaline pumping on game day (and whatever he was already on for the existing pain) he could have gone back in, and then it felt and looked worse in the following days, isn’t that crazy imo. I don’t think there’s any conspiracy, but I do think he rushed as much as possible to be ready in the first place and was only technically “healthy”. Meaning it was a pain tolerance issue and re-injury risk like anything else but that he was cleared to risk it. Just like someone coming off of a high ankle sprain that has healed enough to wrap and play, sometimes it gets worse and sometimes it doesn’t. Cleared to play isn’t the same thing as actual regular-person “healthy” and it never is.

There’s obviously still a ton of pain tolerance and discomfort around an injury like that, even months later. Anyone who has ever dislocated anything knows that. So four weeks later or whatever, yeah he wasn’t literally 100% healthy, the elbow was still an issue. But you still get cleared and play because that’s the league.

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

It’s not so much about conspiracy for me. Generally, coaches and players want to play through pain. I took the change in Quinn’s responses to mean there are likely other opinions at play here. Maybe it is the doctors, maybe not.

I’m not even against not playing him. He’s never looked right and clearly his confidence is shot from all this.

I just think it’s a slippery slope on whether he plays or doesn’t, and why.

 

[ExoDus84]

Clearly he shouldn't have played this past weekend. A shove to the ground was enough to re-aggravate an injury and keep him out (at least) another week. Another blemish on the decisions of this coaching staff. Add on Quinn's suggestion that he could have come back in against Minny, and then Daniels subsequently missing another game, makes you really question if this coaching staff knows wtf they're doing.

Against a swarming defense like Minnesota, while being eliminated from playoff contention, the team should have rested him another week and played a healthy Mariota. Coming back this week against a much less talented Giants team seems on the surface a much smarter play. But what do I know.

The season from hell continues on.

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

There has been a lot of discord on the board recently.

Thanks ExoDus84 for saying something we all can agree to:
“The season from hell continues on.”

Yes. Yes it does.

 

[Bulldog]

So now Daniels is out again.

The yo-yo continues.

The team with 3 games left after NY should just shut him down.

3 games with the disarray and chaos surrounding this team isn’t going to do anything for Daniels long term development.

But a further injury that IS serious and sends him off into the offseason with a rehabilitation could SET BACK his development.

 

[skinzplay]

Clearly he shouldn't have played this past weekend. A shove to the ground was enough to re-aggravate an injury and keep him out (at least) another week. Another blemish on the decisions of this coaching staff. Add on Quinn's suggestion that he could have come back in against Minny, and then Daniels subsequently missing another game, makes you really question if this coaching staff knows wtf they're doing.

Against a swarming defense like Minnesota, while being eliminated from playoff contention, the team should have rested him another week and played a healthy Mariota. Coming back this week against a much less talented Giants team seems on the surface a much smarter play. But what do I know.

The season from hell continues on.

Amen to that! He could've gone back in, but then he's out the next week. Absolute nonsense from these guys. If the kid had suffered a significant injury, I can hear Coach Jack Handey now: "He broke his _________, but he's not broken."

Keim is the best dude to listen to on this team. He always knows more than he tells (not a click or likes junkie like others), and he is tuned in. On that recent podcast, he said the OC needs to figure out how to protect, attack and deal with defenses like the one Flores runs and we're likely to continue facing, given the team's consistent inability to handle them. If you've been a HC/OC for as many years as Kliff has been, you should already know how to do so. A veiled shot from Keim.

 

[Primus Porcus]

Another aspect to this is that they're playing at the Meadowlands. A field that has notoriously destroyed seasons with it's injuries. Is there possibly an aspect of this Jayden not playing to not expose him to that field surface. It could be a very convenient way to not expose Jayden to a long term injury that has nothing to do with his current injury.



*** takes off tin foil hat ***

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

Another aspect to this is that they're playing at the Meadowlands. A field that has notoriously destroyed seasons with it's injuries. Is there possibly an aspect of this Jayden not playing to not expose him to that field surface. It could be a very convenient way to not expose Jayden to a long term injury that has nothing to do with his current injury.



*** takes off tin foil hat ***

I thought the real tin foil hat was the people saying Quinn changing his tune was Peters telling him he can’t play Jayden. To me, that is the huge tin foil hat; if Peters is at the point of not trusting the HC judgement to that extent, that would be a problem, but I currently don’t think Quinn is out at the end of the season nor do I think Peters is stepping on toes. If they had that level of disconnect… then I would think Quinn being out becomes more of a possibility but I don’t buy it.

Yet that theory has bandied about a LOT (including on the radio).

 

[skinzplay]

The Meadowlands had no bearing on the decision to sit JD5. Go back to the Vikes game. They never called a designed run for him in that absurd series where 3 consecutive passes were called. Last season.......? Something is off/wrong. If you cannot call the plays you'd normally call, then clearly there are concerns that haven't been communicated beyond the bldg.

Edit: And when you're 9-3 you can experiment with a pass to Coleman in that situation, but not when you're struggling to perform even the fundamentals against NFL defenses (I emphasize NFL defenses because our O doesn't face one in practice, and that's an enduring problem.

 

[Chris 44]

The Meadowlands had no bearing on the decision to sit JD5. Go back to the Vikes game. They never called a designed run for him in that absurd series where 3 consecutive passes were called. Last season.......? Something is off/wrong. If you cannot call the plays you'd normally call, then clearly there are concerns that haven't been communicated beyond the bldg.

Edit: And when you're 9-3 you can experiment with a pass to Coleman in that situation, but not when you're struggling to perform even the fundamentals against NFL defenses (I emphasize NFL defenses because our O doesn't face one in practice, and that's an enduring problem.

Yeah this point to me is spot on, they knew JD was not fully healthy (not solely talking about the elbow, I think he is still not healed from earlier this year) and called plays based on that. If JD was healthy they would have had an option in there for him to run at the goal line.

 

[Primus Porcus]

I thought the real tin foil hat was the people saying Quinn changing his tune was Peters telling him he can’t play Jayden. To me, that is the huge tin foil hat; if Peters is at the point of not trusting the HC judgement to that extent, that would be a problem, but I currently don’t think Quinn is out at the end of the season nor do I think Peters is stepping on toes. If they had that level of disconnect… then I would think Quinn being out becomes more of a possibility but I don’t buy it.

Yet that theory has bandied about a LOT (including on the radio).

Yeah it looks like it was mentioned here too and I missed it..

 

[HTTR]

I had to change my vote to shut him down. I wanted him to keep playing, but only if he was fully healthy. And I don’t think he was fully healthy, so I’m having a hard time trusting them to decide when to put him back in. I’m ready to let him heal and come back strong next year.

 

[Boone]

I had to change my vote to shut him down. I wanted him to keep playing, but only if he was fully healthy. And I don’t think he was fully healthy, so I’m having a hard time trusting them to decide when to put him back in. I’m ready to let him heal and come back strong next year.

It looks like the tide has turned in our poll with 'bubble wrap' now the majority opinion. If we started to poll over again today, I have to think it might be 3:1 or more to sit him the rest of the way.

One thing about who should be 'making the call' on whether Daniels plays or not... I'm going to go a little contrarian to what the majority are saying. It is absolutely appropriate for Adam Peters to discuss with Quinn and Kingsbury whether Daniels should be playing or not. Peters is responsible for the success of the franchise and we are talking about the most pivotal guy on this roster and his availability not just in a given week, but in 2026 and beyond. While there may not be a conscious decision by coaches to play or not play a guy based on a coaches future (ie... the more I win, the less likely I get fired), that is always a factor because coaches careers depend far more on short term winning than is the case for a GM. You can argue that one of the GMs roles is to ensure that coaching is not making decisions that are not in the best long-term interests of the franchise. It's one of the best reasons not to create combined HC/GM roles - because each has it's own unique perspective.

I hope Peters has been talking to Quinn about Daniels. There is nothing dysfunctional about it.

 

[clskinsfan]

they're playing at the Meadowlands. A field that has notoriously destroyed seasons with it's injuries

This right here. That field is worse than the monstrosity that was Fedex's turf for a decade.

 

[DieselPwr44]

If this was Theismann,Williams,Rypien etc(sorry Riggo44) they'd put the needle to his left arm,numb it up and he'd play.

 

[Conn]

If this was Theismann,Williams,Rypien etc(sorry Riggo44) they'd put the needle to his left arm,numb it up and he'd play.

So what you actually mean is “if it was the 1980’s, things would be different”

Sure, good observation. Not sure it’s correct, but yeah, things would probably be handled differently 40 years ago. Of course, most of our teams in those days didn’t have 3 wins in mid-December, so tough to say.

 

[DieselPwr44]

So what you actually mean is “if it was the 1980’s, things would be different”

Sure, good observation. Not sure it’s correct, but yeah, things would probably be handled differently 40 years ago. Of course, most of our teams in those days didn’t have 3 wins in mid-December, so tough to say.

So if they're 9-3 and looking for a home playoff game, you think they wouldn't shoot that elbow up? Or are things really different?