Howling for Howell

Russell Wilson probably doesn't meet your criteria, but he was a very good QB for a long time and was a third rounder.
 
@DCGoldPants said:
since? I can't think of one. I also think Brady was technically taken on day 2 when the draft was only on the weekend. But let's just say late rounds. And, we're saying successful is being a long time starter. You're probably right. If you want to go like 4th and 5th round and later. You have Dak, Kirk, Fitzmagic who all went 4th or later.
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He Who Shall Not Be Named was also a 4th rounder.
 
Neophyte said:
I think I would argue that we need a RT more. While Leno is no longer a world-beater, he has been much more consistent than Wylie, who has literally been one of the worst RTs in the league for much of the season.

My only concern about Leno is his age and how much more he has in the tank.
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Leno will be 33 years old next year. So I think that's a significant concern... and he's not a top 15 LT which I think should be the base goal.
 
Bulldog said:
I think we take what we have and admit that the replacement of Gates and Charles on the OL in 2023 gives Howell the chance to survive and play out the season without getting beaten to a pulp.

That's not an endorsement of this line for 2024, but at the same time it MAY result in the emergence of Chris Paul as a potential starter on the OL at 23 going forward.

One thing we DO KNOW is that most of the players on the OL who are near or over 30 including Leno, Larsen, Wylie and disappointing Sam Cosmi are probably not in the team's plans.

But we won't know what a new staff does and its fruitless to discuss that in depth until we see who the new decision-makers are.

Can Washington move Andrew Wylie inside to guard? Again, does Paul nail down a job at guard? Does Cosmi rebound or is he just a bust as a #2 pick?

Can't tell right now. too early.

One guess on my part is the team ultimately admits the signing of Gates was a mistake and we eat his guarantees to cut him next offseason.

From what I have seen I don't think he is even a top backup off the bench to keep. He's a practice squad caliber player.
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Cosmi is a decent backup/rotational guy. I don't unfortunately see him becoming more than that.
 
Chris said:
He Who Shall Not Be Named was also a 4th rounder.
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He can't get out of the 1st round of the playoffs, if he makes the playoffs.

Prudy is the closest I can think of because he made the NFC Championship last year.
 
Neophyte said:
He can't get out of the 1st round of the playoffs, if he makes the playoffs.

Prudy is the closest I can think of because he made the NFC Championship last year.
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I’m not saying I’m a fan, because I’m not, but he is a 4x Pro Bowler and been voted by writers as a Top 100 player 7x. Despite my dislike, I could never argue that he does not qualify as being a ’successful‘ qb.
 
If you guys haven't already, you need to listen to the John Keim pod with Marty Mornhigweg talking about Sam.

Just for a pure entertainment standpoint. He's like a character out of a movie.
 
Where a player is chosen in the draft is a question that is often asked on losing teams where management is keeping underperforming #1 and #2 picks to avoid admitting they made mistakes in the draft, etc.

When the Redskins, 49ers, Giants, Cowboys, Patriots, etc. were winning blocks of Super Bowls some high picks didn't make the teams. But no one lost sleep over it. In part it was a sign of how good the current rosters were.

There were different reasons why certain players weren't picked high but the bottom line is quarterbacks historically have been found throughout the draft just as any other position.

Hall of Famers Roger Staubach, Steve Young, Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, and others were NOT #1 picks.

Even where guys were taken high in the draft the best passers were often picked AFTER a guy or two that became outright busts.

Patrick Mahomes was drafted at #10 by KC but that was after the Bears traded a fortune to move up in the draft and take Mitch Trubisky.

Dan Marino was taken #27 overall in a draft where 4 or 5 quarterbacks were taken before him. How many of those guys like Todd Blackledge and Tony Eason as well as Ken O'Brien are consigned to the dustbin of history?
 
First round picks don't work out.....a lot. We had Shuler who lost the gig to Gus. Haskins who probably was taken way too early because of Danny. I won't throw RG3 here because his injury was bad and the team should have IR'd him for all of his 2nd year. Look at the class a few years ago where they had 5 in the first 15. Lawerence, Wilson, Lance, Fields and Jones. 1 out of 5 look like NFL starters.
 
@DCGoldPants said:
First round picks don't work out.....a lot. We had Shuler who lost the gig to Gus. Haskins who probably was taken way too early because of Danny. I won't throw RG3 here because his injury was bad and the team should have IR'd him for all of his 2nd year. Look at the class a few years ago where they had 5 in the first 15. Lawerence, Wilson, Lance, Fields and Jones. 1 out of 5 look like NFL starters.
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It's amazing (and depressing) to think how many 1st round QBs we've drafted that hasn't worked out. Shuler, Ramsey, RGIII, Haskins. Top of the round, middle of the round, bottom, it didn't matter. All failed for one reason or another.
 
burgold said:
It's amazing (and depressing) to think how many 1st round QBs we've drafted that hasn't worked out. Shuler, Ramsey, RGIII, Haskins. Top of the round, middle of the round, bottom, it didn't matter. All failed for one reason or another.
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And Jason Campbell.
 
I always wondered if Ramsey had a real OL and also not Spurrier getting him killed, if his career would have been different. I liked him.
 
I never thought Ramsey was NFL starting caliber but I think a lot of fans did.

It did not surprise me when Gibbs, in his first game back, took Ramsey out vs. Chicago after he took a big hit and It was Mark Brunell time from then on.
 
Boone said:
I never thought Ramsey was NFL starting caliber but I think a lot of fans did.

It did not surprise me when Gibbs, in his first game back, took Ramsey out vs. Chicago after he took a big hit and It was Mark Brunell time from then on.
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I thought by then he was ruined. But, you might be right.
 
Well, that’s a valid point. Hard to know how any potential QB’s career would have gone in a different setting. Ramsey just never seemed to have a ton of confidence to me but maybe that had to do with not being set up for success
 
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