How Good is Jayden Daniels?

[burgold]

In the Brown's thread, we were talking about how much poorer the offense looked when Mariotta subbed in. Now, the goals were different, but so were the results. The level of difference between Daniels and Mariotta is already vast.

 

[Boone]

Apparently, Jayden Daniels is almost as good as Robert Griffin III.



Just ask Robert Griffin III.

 

[Primus Porcus]

"finish what we started"

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Knightingale]

I don't think placebo effect applies - he's literally going through mental reps (probably doubling the number of times per week when he hears Kliff Kingsbury make a playcall, and then going through everything he has to do pre-snap). Just from a repetition standpoint, that's got to be invaluable. He probably knows this offense better than anyone other than Kingsbury himself and it's week 5. How much the actual 'throwing' aspect is helpful, no idea there - it's hard to know what he sees, how accurate the VR is in terms of improving his accuracy, etc... but the results seem to speak for themselves.

I read that they are actually throwing the next opponents defense up against him and programming the D to do the kinds of things they actually anticipate in the real game. That's crazy detail.

I suppose another way to put your point would be wondering if it's more the psychological edge the extra reps and familiarity with the offense gives him, vs. actually improving his accuracy. But then, how do we account for record-breaking accuracy be a rookie?

I agree, where you truly see the effects of this, is in his understanding of the offense and the plays. If they’re loading up the different offensive plays against opposing defenses, they can run scenarios over and over and over far more efficiently than out on the field. It’s teaching pattern recognition through repetition, speeding up his processing. I think that’s clearly evident from his on field performance being way ahead of the usual rookie curve.

I think it also manifests in other ways too..

On the Dyami touchdown, everyone has seen and got excited about the fact he saw something he liked and urged Kingsbury to call the shot… but…

Almost more impressive was the fact that the offense was in disarray, with Ertz and McCaffrey being out of position and the clock ticking. Daniels very calmly pointed them into position and got the ball snapped.

He just knows. I suspect repping these sets in VR he just knows them so much better than anyone else. It allows him to stay cool under that kind of pressure.

It’s crazy how far he is along, and I do think the VR is a key cog in the process.

 

[Knightingale]

Apparently, Jayden Daniels is almost as good as Robert Griffin III.



Just ask Robert Griffin III.

Good grief!
While those stat lines are close, this EXACTLY illustrates the key difference between the two.
JD just seems to have a humbleness RGIII will never understand.
This is a stretch too far though, to even suggest these two are linked in any way.

 

[SkinsFTW]

He had similar stats to Lamar Jackson. In the future he will probably outplay LJ with more experience.

Major difference in the game was they ran the ball with ease, their receivers were standing alone in wide open areas on many passes, and can't forget those 2 head scratcher PI calls that extended 2 of their drives.

Missed a FG, didn't recover a fumble or 2 and still had a chance at the end of the game. If this defense was even slightly below average and BRob plays it easily could have been a win.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

He had similar stats to Lamar Jackson. In the future he will probably outplay LJ with more experience.

Major difference in the game was they ran the ball with ease, their receivers were standing alone in wide open areas on many passes, and can't forget those 2 head scratcher PI calls that extended 2 of their drives.

Missed a FG, didn't recover a fumble or 2 and still had a chance at the end of the game. If this defense was even slightly below average and BRob plays it easily could have been a win.

I wasn’t able to see all the game, but it seemed like every time Daniels threw the ball, the receivers were well covered. And credit to Daniels for making tight window throws like he has all year long. When Jackson threw the ball, a lot of times he had wide open receivers. I don’t know if that’s play design, or perhaps the Ravens know where the first and seconds reads would be and covered those up. And with more experience, Daniels will be able to skip reads and get to the open guy. I don’t know and I’m not a film study expert. But I do know that Ravens receivers were running wide open and it made a big difference in the game.

 

[Bulldog]

One thing I saw on Sunday is what the loss of Brian Robinson does to our run game.

Daniels and Robinson together combine to make up a formidable pair of weapons for Washington against NFL defenses.

Both players are good in the open field and Robinson is one of the best in the league at yards after contact.

The skills of both players tends to make the offensive line look better in the stats then it really is.

Yesterday, the offensive line didn't create many holes in the running game. Ekeler and McNichols are not Brian Robinson in getting something out of nothing. So, the running game totals were abysmal.

Meanwhile, Baltimore was able to use Derrick Henry to dominate time of possession much as Washington is used to doing with Daniels and Robinson.

I don't know that Washington necessarily wins the game yesterday with Robinson on the field, but our time of possession and third down conversion rates would probably have been a bit better.

I think the Baltimore defensive front seven showed that Washington to be a top team in the NFL still has some work to do on the offensive line.

My own view is long-term we need a starting left guard with greater size and athleticism than Allegretti and a starting right tackle that wins more one on one matchups than Andrew Wylie, who seems more like a swing/depth tackle on a good team.

 

[SkinsFTW]

Either way, with no running game Daniels matched up well vs Jackson who had an elite running game and a little ref assistance as well.

 

[Boone]

I'm going to go contrarian here. I love Robinson. But he is not a dominating RB (at least not yet). I am very skeptical he does much better against the best rushing defense in the league. I'm not sure it makes one bit of difference had he been out there and healthy.

 

[SkinsFTW]

Robinson probably doesn't go off like Henry but he's going to make a difference and just the threat would have made some difference in the game, IMO.