Dwayne Haskins caught maskless in strip club

[Kel Varnsen]

agreed.

I wanted him gone.

I get Why Rivera didn't cut him lose

I don't know that I have confidence that he brings anything to the table the other two dont

I am not as tuned in as Rivera and co so I'll ride with their judgement.

I agree with this, especially the last statement. Most of us have said all year that we trust Rivera to make the right decision. Sometimes, we have questioned those decisions, but look where they are. They have a chance to clinch a playoff berth. If Rivera feels that keeping him on the roster gives the team the best chance to win, then I trust him on that.

 

[Elephant]

maybe a gaggle of strippers for him?

Ham sammich and a strawberry milkshake?

 

[DieselPwr44]

Strawberry milkshakes are a rarity nowadays...they've upped in value.

 

[Boone]

I agree with this, especially the last statement. Most of us have said all year that we trust Rivera to make the right decision. Sometimes, we have questioned those decisions, but look where they are. They have a chance to clinch a playoff berth. If Rivera feels that keeping him on the roster gives the team the best chance to win, then I trust him on that.

I don't know Kel. I like Rivera, but he's been pretty inconsistent in his 'decision making' in his first year. Some of his moves, for me anyway, haven't made a lot of sense (especially some of the in-game ones). I have mostly given him a pass because he's had an especially challenging first season. If we're being honest, in most years we are already eliminated from playoff contention. It's great that we aren't, but it's almost entirely due to a historically bad NFC East, not because of all of Rivera's great decisions.

I do 'get' that if Rivera thinks Haskins gives us a significantly better chance of winning this Sunday, it likely trumps whatever his personal philosophy regarding conduct is. I don't know that I believe Haskins makes it more OR less likely we win on Sunday, but I will defer to Rivera on that.

But there is no way to ignore that Haskins should've been suspended - and that not suspending him goes against everything Rivera has said previously about both Haskins and building a 'winning culture'.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

I don't know Kel. I like Rivera, but he's been pretty inconsistent in his 'decision making' in his first year. Some of his moves, for me anyway, haven't made a lot of sense (especially some of the in-game ones). I have mostly given him a pass because he's had an especially challenging first season. If we're being honest, in most years we are already eliminated from playoff contention. It's great that we aren't, but it's almost entirely due to a historically bad NFC East, not because of all of Rivera's great decisions.

I do 'get' that if Rivera thinks Haskins gives us a significantly better chance of winning this Sunday, it likely trumps whatever his personal philosophy regarding conduct is. I don't know that I believe Haskins makes it more OR less likely we win on Sunday, but I will defer to Rivera on that.

But there is no way to ignore that Haskins should've been suspended - and that not suspending him goes against everything Rivera has said previously about both Haskins and building a 'winning culture'.

Yeah, I get that. That is why I said most of his decisions. Because I know a few I have questioned. Some that didn’t make sense to me and didn’t make sense with some other things he said. But he’s in a tough position balancing out what is best for the team. It is why he gets paid the money to make these decisions. I have a feeling he’d love to be done with Haskins altogether. Just get rid of him and be done with the headache. But he also has to consider what that means to the rest of the team and their chances to win. It would be so much better if Haskins would have grown up and done what the coaches asked him to do. His play may or may not have been better. But the headaches of dealing with him would have been gone.

I’m not at practice so I don’t know what Montez or Heinicke look like. Same for Haskins for that matter. That’s why I’m going to trust him in this instance. I see very little from Haskins that makes me think he can get it done. But the fact they may play him in this crucial game over the other options tells me what I need to know about the other guys.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

I can think of about 100 people that work in Ashburn that don't share your dismissal of an NFC East division title.... especially the 53 guys on the roster that would see a nice little bonus check somewhere in the range of $30K.

"winning" the nfc least at 8-8 and getting a shittier draft pick is not worth it to anyone but the guys getting the bonus and the coach who gets to say " we won the division" long term, it only hurts the team, but then we probably wont draft anyone good anyway

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

the coaches who played marginal character guys usually had strong veteran leaders who kept things from going sideways, the skins simply are too young to really have that sort of leadership

 

[Chris]

For as young as this team is, there would be tremendous value in experiencing post-season competition.

 

[Boone]

For as young as this team is, there would be tremendous value in experiencing post-season competition.

I think this is an important point that deserves more attention. Winning breeds winning. Winning breeds increased expectations. There’s really no substitute for it.

 

[Primus Porcus]

"winning" the nfc least at 8-8 and getting a shittier draft pick is not worth it to anyone but the guys getting the bonus and the coach who gets to say " we won the division" long term, it only hurts the team, but then we probably wont draft anyone good anyway

what are you talking about? We've been one of the better drafting teams in the league over the last 3 seasons with Kyle Smith running the show.. Outside of Haskins who was a Snyder pick. Haskins is the arguably the only miss we've had in the first round in the last 4 years.

Also, why in the hell should they lose in order to appease us on the outside looking in, to get a better draft pick? Do you hear how ass backwards that is? The guys getting the bonus are the ones that matter the most. Getting your team to buy in and establish winning as the ONLY option. You, me, or anyone on this board should not 'matter' to Rivera when it comes to building the team.

To take it a step further, it is worth it to me. I want to see my favorite team win as many games as they can. We only get to see them play 16 times, so if they win 8 of those and get to play for something meaningful I'm all for it. You may be soured on this team but you keep coming back to this board and trying to tell people they're wrong for feeling happy that the team is winning.

 

[Elephant]

Also, why in the hell should they lose in order to appease us on the outside looking in, to get a better draft pick? Do you hear how ass backwards that is?

Well, I wonder how Jets' fans feel about their victory over the Rams.

I get what Rymnan is saying, but I disagree with that line of thinking unless faced with #1 or #2 pick...and if you are that bad, you need an infusion of talent more than that winning attitude down the stretch.

Along with the fact that this team has seen tremendous progress all over the field with new coaching, there is a lot of talent this draft at most positions so BPA at TE, LT, QB, WR, or RB should be an easy one. Winning outweighs draft order on a young team who is markedly improving.

With WFT picking in the 19-24 range which it appears they might, they have a wide selection of players to choose from that could fill any number of needs. While most times I don't agree with taking a RB in the 1st round, I think this is a good spot for Najee Harris or Travis Etienne to be considered.

I mean...even if Kyle Pitts of Devonta Harris are there, this is where there is value with these guys. This draft is deep in talent that will reach this range in the draft order.

If I were choosing in the 19-24 range, Najee Harris would be my bet. He fits the style of player that would excel in Turner's offense...very good running back with great receiving skills out of the backfield...at 6'3" 230 pounds. I like Etienne, but he is a lot smaller.

You guys couldn't go wrong with Devonta Smith or Kyle Pitts, either.

As for QB this late, if Trask were available I might pull the trigger, but none of the others considered in the 1st round, Zach Wilson or the kid from North Dakota.

When you're talking about draft order, it rarely translates into guarantees. I forget which of the members of the board looked up the stats, but drafting in the top 10 does not guarantee the player is any more of a success that any later in round one.

 

[Primus Porcus]

Well, I wonder how Jets' fans feel about their victory over the Rams.

I get what Rymnan is saying, but I disagree with that line of thinking unless faced with #1 or #2 pick...and if you are that bad, you need an infusion of talent more than that winning attitude down the stretch.

Along with the fact that this team has seen tremendous progress all over the field with new coaching, there is a lot of talent this draft at most positions so BPA at TE, LT, QB, WR, or RB should be an easy one. Winning outweighs draft order on a young team who is markedly improving.

With WFT picking in the 19-24 range which it appears they might, they have a wide selection of players to choose from that could fill any number of needs. While most times I don't agree with taking a RB in the 1st round, I think this is a good spot for Najee Harris or Travis Etienne to be considered.

I mean...even if Kyle Pitts of Devonta Harris are there, this is where there is value with these guys. This draft is deep in talent that will reach this range in the draft order.

If I were choosing in the 19-24 range, Najee Harris would be my bet. He fits the style of player that would excel in Turner's offense...very good running back with great receiving skills out of the backfield...at 6'3" 230 pounds. I like Etienne, but he is a lot smaller.

You guys couldn't go wrong with Devonta Smith or Kyle Pitts, either.

As for QB this late, if Trask were available I might pull the trigger, but none of the others considered in the 1st round, Zach Wilson or the kid from North Dakota.

When you're talking about draft order, it rarely translates into guarantees. I forget which of the members of the board looked up the stats, but drafting in the top 10 does not guarantee the player is any more of a success that any later in round one.

Jets fans should be thankful they're not going to be in the rare company of a winless football team... but losing out on Trevor Lawrence stings.

They're also doing it with a terrible head coach that is likely to be replaced next year, an aging roster with very little talent, and they were in the running for the no. 1 overall pick

We're doing it in the FIRST year of a HC, playing ALL the young players. We're not winning with aging vets that don't forecast to be with the team for the long term. Building a winning culture starts with winning... not losing.

And imho our starting LT for the next 8 years will be taken with our first pick in the first round. I don't think we go RB unless Etienne falls to us in the 2nd. The good thing about this team is that the glaring holes are identifiable but not abundant, but there are opportunities for improvement up and down the roster.... not necessarily NEEDS.

 

[Elephant]

Jets fans should be thankful they're not going to be in the rare company of a winless football team... but losing out on Trevor Lawrence stings.

They're also doing it with a terrible head coach that is likely to be replaced next year, an aging roster with very little talent, and they were in the running for the no. 1 overall pick

We're doing it in the FIRST year of a HC, playing ALL the young players. We're not winning with aging vets that don't forecast to be with the team for the long term. Building a winning culture starts with winning... not losing.

And imho our starting LT for the next 8 years will be taken with our first pick in the first round. I don't think we go RB unless Etienne falls to us in the 2nd. The good thing about this team is that the glaring holes are identifiable but not abundant, but there are opportunities for improvement up and down the roster.... not necessarily NEEDS.

That was kinda my point...losing out is not always a bad thing, but I think it would be foolish for a young team seemingly on the rebound to look for a better draft position than the benefit of winning a division. Especially after a 2-7 start.

As for need, I am not sure you can't get a starting LT as late as a late 2nd this year. As for RB's I think Etienne will be a solid RB in the NFL, but Harris has special like Henry in his future, but he catches out of the backfield much better than Henry. And I doubt either Etienne or Harris will be there in the 2nd.

Smith and Pitts are both in positions of glaring needs, too...so.

 

[Primus Porcus]

That was kinda my point...losing out is not always a bad thing, but I think it would be foolish for a young team seemingly on the rebound to look for a better draft position than the benefit of winning a division. Especially after a 2-7 start.

As for need, I am not sure you can't get a starting LT as late as a late 2nd this year. As for RB's I think Etienne will be a solid RB in the NFL, but Harris has special like Henry in his future, but he catches out of the backfield much better than Henry. And I doubt either Etienne or Harris will be there in the 2nd.

Smith and Pitts are both in positions of glaring needs, too...so.

Yeah LT is emerging as a very deep position in this draft so you may be onto something.... WR and TE are deep too. I don't think Pitts is there, and I think we opt to go for Ferguson later in the draft... ideally in the 3rd or 4th. Smith is an interesting one. That guy might be the best WR in this draft...

I don't know that WR and TE are 'GLARING' needs, but they absolutely are positions with room for an improvement. I would argue that MLB and LT are bigger 'needs.' Free agency likely changes that conversation too, as there will be a good number talented WRs on the market.

 

[DieselPwr44]

But there is no way to ignore that Haskins should've been suspended - and that not suspending him goes against everything Rivera has said previously about both Haskins and building a 'winning culture'.

Has anyone in the league been suspended for violating Covid protocol or just fined?

I think Rivera said that he talked to the league and looked at what punishment others have given out and based Haskins fine(which set a record btw) on that.
If Coach is satisfied with it, why can't we be?

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Well, I wonder how Jets' fans feel about their victory over the Rams.

I get what Rymnan is saying, but I disagree with that line of thinking unless faced with #1 or #2 pick...and if you are that bad, you need an infusion of talent more than that winning attitude down the stretch.

Along with the fact that this team has seen tremendous progress all over the field with new coaching, there is a lot of talent this draft at most positions so BPA at TE, LT, QB, WR, or RB should be an easy one. Winning outweighs draft order on a young team who is markedly improving.

With WFT picking in the 19-24 range which it appears they might, they have a wide selection of players to choose from that could fill any number of needs. While most times I don't agree with taking a RB in the 1st round, I think this is a good spot for Najee Harris or Travis Etienne to be considered.

I mean...even if Kyle Pitts of Devonta Harris are there, this is where there is value with these guys. This draft is deep in talent that will reach this range in the draft order.

If I were choosing in the 19-24 range, Najee Harris would be my bet. He fits the style of player that would excel in Turner's offense...very good running back with great receiving skills out of the backfield...at 6'3" 230 pounds. I like Etienne, but he is a lot smaller.

You guys couldn't go wrong with Devonta Smith or Kyle Pitts, either.

As for QB this late, if Trask were available I might pull the trigger, but none of the others considered in the 1st round, Zach Wilson or the kid from North Dakota.

When you're talking about draft order, it rarely translates into guarantees. I forget which of the members of the board looked up the stats, but drafting in the top 10 does not guarantee the player is any more of a success that any later in round one.

I would not be surprised if the league warned the Jets that they might "get" Lawrence but they would make sure that the team never will win. I mean, the Saints have been paying for Bountygate for a while. If the refs are told to screw over a team, they'll do it. Just like even though there was a gap between chain and ball, they gave Tampa a 1st down anyway.

 

[Boone]

Has anyone in the league been suspended for violating Covid protocol or just fined?

I think Rivera said that he talked to the league and looked at what punishment others have given out and based Haskins fine(which set a record btw) on that.
If Coach is satisfied with it, why can't we be?

You can be. Me? This is the 2nd violation of league policy Haskins has had. Right after his first opportunity to play in months. Literally right after.

I asked you before... what has Haskins done - ever - to warrant the benefit of the doubt you seem to expect the rest of us to give him?

 

[DieselPwr44]

You can be. Me? This is the 2nd violation of league policy Haskins has had. Right after his first opportunity to play in months. Literally right after.

I asked you before... what has Haskins done - ever - to warrant the benefit of the doubt you seem to expect the rest of us to give him?

He's been punished. Record setting fine.
I understand you hate the guy and want to see him buried under the jail house but come on........

 

[Henry]

If it were me Haskins would be inactive for the rest of the season and then gone. He has put the team in a terrible situation.

Regarding winning the division at 8-8 ... you take that over draft position every day and twice on Sunday. How big would it be for thus young team to get some playoff experience? How big would it be for the culture of the team? This team is so used to sucking, a division title would be a huge deal.

All the more reason why what Haskins did is such a big deal. Here we go again.

Sit him. Get him out of here. Either its a New Day in Washington, or it’s not.

 

[Boone]

He's been punished. Record setting fine.
I understand you hate the guy and want to see him buried under the jail house but come on........

That's not true - not even close. I just think he's an immature kid who doesn't have the character to be a winning QB. I don't want to see this team waste any more time trying to make him into something he is never, ever going to be. I was positive about Haskins until this season. But I've seen enough now. 'Hate' has nothing to do with it.