Cousins

[Miles Monroe]

Out of all the starting QB's in the league, only 14 started all 16 games last year.

Does anybody really want to see Rex take the field in a Skins Uni again ?

 

[Bulldog]

Two years from now when the Redskins are challenging in the NFC East, do you want Cousins or an interception prone Rex Grossman taking over for Robert Griffin if he is hurt for a key two or three game stretch?

We have seen enough of the Grossman/Beck/Campbell hit parade around here the past half decade.

It's time to move on and that's what we are doing

If the Eagles or Patriots had made this move they would have been lauded for their foresight in drafting for value and a future trade possibility.

Peter King? He's critical, but then again wasn't he the guy that predicted Danny Wuerffel would throw for 3,700 yards under Spurrier back in 2002?

 

[GSF]

As far as the QB controversy is concerned - the only controversy this offseason will be how fast RGIII overtakes Grossman as the starter.

I'm thinking that has already happened. RG3 will start week 1.

 

[fansince62]

Lavaar had an interesting take on this today: Cousins draft signals that Shanahan is in it longer-term than the remaining years on his contract.

 

[RG3 Fan]

Current backups must really stink

Cousins had good production his college career, but you are counting on two rookies to lead you? Was Grossman truly that gross last year? Don't know enough here to have an accurate opinion on all of this.

 

[Dreamingwolf]

Cousins had good production his college career, but you are counting on two rookies to lead you? Was Grossman truly that gross last year? Don't know enough here to have an accurate opinion on all of this.

Im not sure where the link is, but someone statistically put together grossmans turnover expectations. 2 turnovers was at something like 90% a game, 2 turnovers are an almost certain expectation. 4 turnovers somewhere between 25 and 50%.

Now thats ok if you have a defense that scores alot, and takes the ball back. Our defense with Rex fought hard, and kept the team in the game but we lost alot and our defense was ranked poorly cause of it.

Yeah it would be called nightmare like, but to rexs defense he also makes big plays. He is totally the definition of a risk/reward qb, but those guys are hard to win with. The team has to have a defense that is so disgusting that offenses are more concerned about the D scoring off them than them scoring on the D.

 

[Neophyte]

Cousins had good production his college career, but you are counting on two rookies to lead you? Was Grossman truly that gross last year? Don't know enough here to have an accurate opinion on all of this.

I doubt Cousins supplants Rex as #2 this season but Rex is only one a one year deal right now so if Cousins does well this year, we might see Griffin and Cousins 1-2 on the depth chart next year and Rex looking for a job.

 

[Dreamingwolf]

RG3 with Gruden

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_DYkYkidA&feature=related[/media]

Cousins with Gruden

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If Cousins is ok being the understudy to Griffin, I think we will have a sick offense. Cousins seems to me to be a student of the game, willing to take note of his failures and try to overcome them.

That quality is fantastic in a back up QB if Griffin will accept it as a starter and Cousins will accept it as a back up. To use a poor example a Navy ship has a captian and an XO, if those two are willing to accept those roles we will be wicked.

 

[Dreamingwolf]

I doubt Cousins supplants Rex as #2 this season but Rex is only one a one year deal right now so if Cousins does well this year, we might see Griffin and Cousins 1-2 on the depth chart next year and Rex looking for a job.

He has to earn it, but I cant see how he doesnt. Rex has proven he is a turnover machine, he also can make big plays. Cousins would have to melt down to not beat out Rex, what could be worse about Cousins he turns it over 3 times a game guarenteed?

 

[Miles Monroe]

He has to earn it, but I cant see how he doesnt. Rex has proven he is a turnover machine, he also can make big plays. Cousins would have to melt down to not beat out Rex, what could be worse about Cousins he turns it over 3 times a game guarenteed?

I tend to agree, and expect Rex to be third on the depth chart no more then 4 weeks into the season.

 

[drumlinboy]

I am going to come at this from another angle, In the last 8 years British track cycling team has dominated the olympic events. The guy in charge of the team runs it very simply. Every decision is questioned by the following question. Does this help us win a gold medal?

Now as i have said on other forums translate that overall question to the NFL and it becomes. Does this help us win a Lombardi trophy? Thats the only question that should matter. So lets answer it.

Yes it does because it gives us a better back up to RG III than we had previously. Sorry Rex but it's true. As they say on the sports reporters Rex comes complete with one turnover built in.

lots and lots of so called experts are ripping us for this pick but to be honest I do not care. I am much happier having cousins as back up than Rexy.

Sure we could have picked another player who could have been a back up at another position. But where is our biggest deficency? QB.

I rest my case my friends

 

[Lanky Livingston]

I never would have guessed, a QB-related discussion is apparently polarizing among Redskins fans!

 

[ThatDaveGuy]

If Saint Belichick, CG, (Certified Genius) makes this move, the world is falling all over themselves amazed at the stolen "value" derived form a media-be-damned 4th round pick, how "visionary" it was to deftly bank potential 2nd/3rd round future trade value when Cousins rookie contract is up, to have provided a "challenge" for RG3 lest he become too big-headed with all the media love.....etc.

The Skins make it? Moronic.

And this to me is one of the central elements in this. As hard as I try to avoid breaking out the tin-foil hat during football discussions, I am hard pressed to see this one any other way.

But guys, why does the CG always seem to keep his roster stacked? Because of moves just like this one! He has been doing this since the start, so now he has a machine built where he feeds fresh players in one end and sees what comes out the other, he is not forced to make desperation moves every year to patch gaping holes. Year 3 of the Shanaplan and we are edging past putting out fires every minute and looking ahead. There yet? Nope, but heading that way. It's a process, we wept for years for someone with the vision to rebuild the franchise, now it's being done and we're too anxious to let it work. You simply cannot get longterm success if you always give in to the instant gratification fix, the two are mutually exclusive.

And hearing people bleat about Brady is so tiresome, there is no guarantee that he would even still be in the league if he had gone elsewhere, drafted in the 6th by Cleveland or something. Players, especially very good successful ones, are not Legos, you can't just pop them in anywhere and get a fit.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

I just want to make it clear that I am LOVING the Shanaplan, and his approach to the draft. After years of throwing away draft picks on the likes of Malcolm Kelly and Taylor Jacobs, its amazing to have rookies who actually have a shot at playing in the NFL.

I was questioning the rationale behind one pick, that's it. Not an entire drafting system.

And hearing people bleat about Brady is so tiresome, there is no guarantee that he would even still be in the league if he had gone elsewhere, drafted in the 6th by Cleveland or something. Players, especially very good successful ones, are not Legos, you can't just pop them in anywhere and get a fit.

Agree with this wholeheartedly.

 

[riggins44]

If Cousins is ok being the understudy to Griffin, I think we will have a sick offense. Cousins seems to me to be a student of the game, willing to take note of his failures and try to overcome them.

That quality is fantastic in a back up QB if Griffin will accept it as a starter and Cousins will accept it as a back up. To use a poor example a Navy ship has a captian and an XO, if those two are willing to accept those roles we will be wicked.

I don't want Cousins to be satisfied as a backup. He should strive to be the starter. This will only make both better. If RG3 doesn't like competition, which I believe he does, then that would worry me.

 

[fansince62]

And this to me is one of the central elements in this. As hard as I try to avoid breaking out the tin-foil hat during football discussions, I am hard pressed to see this one any other way.

But guys, why does the CG always seem to keep his roster stacked? Because of moves just like this one! He has been doing this since the start, so now he has a machine built where he feeds fresh players in one end and sees what comes out the other, he is not forced to make desperation moves every year to patch gaping holes. Year 3 of the Shanaplan and we are edging past putting out fires every minute and looking ahead. There yet? Nope, but heading that way. It's a process, we wept for years for someone with the vision to rebuild the franchise, now it's being done and we're too anxious to let it work. You simply cannot get longterm success if you always give in to the instant gratification fix, the two are mutually exclusive.

And hearing people bleat about Brady is so tiresome, there is no guarantee that he would even still be in the league if he had gone elsewhere, drafted in the 6th by Cleveland or something. Players, especially very good successful ones, are not Legos, you can't just pop them in anywhere and get a fit.

largely on target...but let's not forget:

- the Pats did suffer a 2 year spell where the o-line was depleted

- the Pats did suffer a spell where linebacker play deteriorated due to key retirements that were not restaffed

- many key players have arrived through FA/trade and not the draft

so.....they have had their spots. the interesting thing about that Pats is that they compete...even at the lowest portions of their cycle. unlike the Skins. if a disciplined, long-term strategic plan is now in play for roster management (as opposed to Super Bowl appearance every three/four years followed by rebuild) I'm all for that!

 

[Ax]

But guys, why does the CG always seem to keep his roster stacked? Because of moves just like this one! He has been doing this since the start, so now he has a machine built where he feeds fresh players in one end and sees what comes out the other, he is not forced to make desperation moves every year to patch gaping holes.

It appears Mr. Astronomically Overrated has completely **** the bed when it comes to keeping his defense "stacked".

 

[Henry]

Yea, I don't see how ANYONE can criticize this pick.
It's like they forget that we'd otherwise be just one play away from Grossman finishing out the season.

And who wants to go backwards to that nightmare of a place ?

Honestly, I had no problem with Grossman as a backup. He's not starting material and he never will be, but he knows the system and could fill in for a game or two if Griffin got hurt. If Cousins turns out to be better than him, that's great, but as many have pointed out in this thread a fourth rounder is more likely to fail than not.

Apparently, Cousins was a better option that any veteran backup free agent available.

I hope that's the case.

And people are seriously worried that RG3/Cousins might turn into Shuler/Frerotte ????
Seriously ???

Why is this such an outrageous thought? Is Griffin suddenly a lock to be successful in this league? Is Cousins guaranteed to be good, but just not quite as good as Griffin? Do fans in this town have a history of being patient with their starter?

I think some of you have this idea that Griffin is automatically going to be amazing, Cousins is automatically going to be solid but not spectacular, and every fan in the DC area is going to know this and accept it no matter how things look on the field once the real bullets start flying. Let me remind you that Grossman was a first round pick once. Beck was a second rounder. There are NO guarantees in this league.

Maybe some of you have missed the past 40 years but I've seen this fanbase chew up and spit out plenty of QBs. The leash around here is VERY short. And make no mistake, the Cousins pick makes Griffin's leash shorter. It does. Offseason love-fests don't last long into the regular season. What seems unimaginable now can be very real after a few ugly losses.

I want patience. And once Shanahan realized he had to rebuild this team from scratch he has shown patience, so I'm hopeful that continues. But the Cousins pick somewhat undermines that, in my opinion. It adds pressure on Griffin that wasn't necessary. And it's not like there's not a ton of pressure on the kid already. I would have preferred to see Shanahan give Griffin a little time to develop, to establish himself as the unquestionable Man before bringing in a young gun behind him. I think trying to develop two QBs at the same time is a mistake, because they will progress at different speeds and it makes things more complicated than it needs to be. NOBODY would be calling for Grossman to start if Griffin struggled early. That won't necessarily be the case with Cousins. And that can undermine patience.

And patience is what I want.

I just want to make it clear that I am LOVING the Shanaplan, and his approach to the draft. After years of throwing away draft picks on the likes of Malcolm Kelly and Taylor Jacobs, its amazing to have rookies who actually have a shot at playing in the NFL.

I was questioning the rationale behind one pick, that's it. Not an entire drafting system

Same here. Just to be clear.

I wouldn't even be talking about this if someone hadn't started a thread on it.

 

[Om]

I'd be surprised if Cousins threatened Rex for the #2 spot this year. From what I've seen, he's a development guy---Gruden pounded him on a few brain-fart turnovers in his senior year pretty good. What I DO see is a guy who has a good chance to be a solid #2 heading into 2013 though. My gut is that Shanahan sees him the same way.

One thing I'd be willing to bet a buck on today though is whether or not Cousins' presence brings any additional "pressure" to bear on RG3 heading into 2012.

Says here not.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Cousins is a guy that can make all the throws, is competitive, and a good leader. However he makes some very questionable to terrible decisions under pressure and at critical times. Sound familiar? My primary fear is that he is Rex Grossman 2.0.