Burner's Burning Questions: Offseason Edition, Free Agency 2014

I apologize for the bogus twitter thing.

Will not post anything further from twitter as I am a stone cold rookie and do not want to piss anyone off.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
I apologize for the bogus twitter thing.

Will not post anything further from twitter as I am a stone cold rookie and do not want to piss anyone off.

Sorry for the confusion.

You're not pissing anyone off. Post anything you think has merit.
 
Well. , that's not difficult following Shanahan. He had the humor and vitality of an embalmed corpse.

I keep seeing little things like this from John Keim below, and I can't wait for this season to start.

Keim on our LBs:

Robinson is talented, but having missed most of the first two seasons because of torn pectoral muscles, it's tough to know if and when he'll be able to start. Honestly, the best addition to linebacker this offseason has been the coaches, especially Kirk Olivadotti on the inside. He's a good one to develop Robinson. And because of Olivadotti's work with young linebackers, I could see them drafting one on the inside. Outside linebackers coach Brian Baker has a good reputation too. Adding these coaches will help this group.
 
Nvm,..............
 
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... but I'm not going to lose faith in this regime before they've even recorded a single game.
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And I am not saying I've lost complete faith, but I am disappointed the OL has not been addressed with a top tier or even 2nd tier guy at one of the 3 positions we lack any talent...C, RG, RT. Again, I am not saying we throw money at a player because he's "that" player. But there have been a few payers that would have been solid upgrades along the line without breaking the bank. I get Gruuden not signing Collins. If he didn't want him, not many have a better understanding of that player than his former OC.

What about player like Giacomini, De La Puente at C...either one of those 2nd to middle tier guys would have been upgrades over the players we have. Donald Penn is intriguing...has he been signed? he won't be too expensive.

What about safety? TJ Ward did not get a bank breaking contract with Denver. He was costly, but not out of hand. Not getting Byrd was fine with me, but Ward could have been here for years. Position of need filled.

I am glad we didn't pay Talib or Verner...both got huge paydays and I am fine losing those sweepstakes.

Again, I don't want a bunch of reckless big payday signings, but if you get arguably the best player in the league for 5 years for a hefty price when that is a position of absolute need...especially if that player is of high character.

As for Hatcher...I just don't know. I remember playing them when they were absolutely crippled on the DL last year and he stepped up HUGE against us. The year prior? He had a solid outing in the home game to end the season. He stood out because I kept thinking their DL has been decimated by age and injury and this dude stepped in to fill the void. But he's 31. I am all for stop gap players...maybe Tracy Porter works out. Lavauo? I mean, I know they haven't hit the field yet so we could have done enough and will be using the draft to fill other needs.

I am just not all that impressed and disappointed the OL has not been the main focus. We have plenty of money to fill 2 positions with more than just value signings.
 
I apologize for the bogus twitter thing.

Will not post anything further from twitter as I am a stone cold rookie and do not want to piss anyone off.

Sorry for the confusion.

DP, I think most of us here know that you have to take Twitter for what it's worth. Sometimes they get it wrong. But overall, it's a pretty good way to stay informed on a number of topics.
 
Hmmm, am I the only one who likes Merriweather returning to the secondary, lol. As someone else mentioned he works on those head shots and we got a helluva start.

Some reason I had a vision we went CB with that first 2nd. Rather it be OL bit could live with secondary.
 
Well, with Meriweather's piss poor tackling, and piss poor coverage skills on the field, along with his poor judgement off the field, (DUI2 weeks after signing here originally) I'd say safety is still a bare cupboard. If he played better at the end of the year, it was only in comparison to how dreadful he was earlier.

I'm hoping Thomas can play.
 
And I am not saying I've lost complete faith, but I am disappointed the OL has not been addressed with a top tier or even 2nd tier guy at one of the 3 positions we lack any talent...C, RG, RT. Again, I am not saying we throw money at a player because he's "that" player. But there have been a few payers that would have been solid upgrades along the line without breaking the bank. I get Gruuden not signing Collins. If he didn't want him, not many have a better understanding of that player than his former OC.

What about player like Giacomini, De La Puente at C...either one of those 2nd to middle tier guys would have been upgrades over the players we have. Donald Penn is intriguing...has he been signed? he won't be too expensive.

What about safety? TJ Ward did not get a bank breaking contract with Denver. He was costly, but not out of hand. Not getting Byrd was fine with me, but Ward could have been here for years. Position of need filled.

I am glad we didn't pay Talib or Verner...both got huge paydays and I am fine losing those sweepstakes.

Again, I don't want a bunch of reckless big payday signings, but if you get arguably the best player in the league for 5 years for a hefty price when that is a position of absolute need...especially if that player is of high character.

As for Hatcher...I just don't know. I remember playing them when they were absolutely crippled on the DL last year and he stepped up HUGE against us. The year prior? He had a solid outing in the home game to end the season. He stood out because I kept thinking their DL has been decimated by age and injury and this dude stepped in to fill the void. But he's 31. I am all for stop gap players...maybe Tracy Porter works out. Lavauo? I mean, I know they haven't hit the field yet so we could have done enough and will be using the draft to fill other needs.

I am just not all that impressed and disappointed the OL has not been the main focus. We have plenty of money to fill 2 positions with more than just value signings.



I gotcha brother, but like I said in another post, the gap between the middle tier guys is minimal.... the 8th best G/T/C/ is not THAT much better then the 15th. They might have their eyes on a specific guy and know that they can get him for less if they let the market 'dry' up a little bit. Not to mention, would you rather have the 20th best G, or pickup a young guy in the draft who fits your scheme and develop the O-line together. You've got your anchor in Trent, and he's still relatively young. I don't want to buy an O-line where it's a bunch of guys who were successful in a system we aren't going to run. Square peg/round hole deal.

As far as those other names, we have no idea what kind of deals we tried to give them. I hate to say this, but I'm sure we've lost out on some free agents because we might give them a better a deal, but they prefer to go elsewhere with their services. You tellin me that if Ward was offered similar deals by us and Denver, you think he'd chose us? Ha. Denver was in the superbowl last year.... not bashing the Redskins, just trying to look at things objectively. I'm sure Meriwether wasn't their first choice, hence the reason we didn't sign him back day 1.
 
And I am not saying I've lost complete faith, but I am disappointed the OL has not been addressed with a top tier or even 2nd tier guy at one of the 3 positions we lack any talent...C, RG, RT. Again, I am not saying we throw money at a player because he's "that" player. But there have been a few payers that would have been solid upgrades along the line without breaking the bank. I get Gruuden not signing Collins. If he didn't want him, not many have a better understanding of that player than his former OC.

What about player like Giacomini, De La Puente at C...either one of those 2nd to middle tier guys would have been upgrades over the players we have. Donald Penn is intriguing...has he been signed? he won't be too expensive.

What about safety? TJ Ward did not get a bank breaking contract with Denver. He was costly, but not out of hand. Not getting Byrd was fine with me, but Ward could have been here for years. Position of need filled.

I am glad we didn't pay Talib or Verner...both got huge paydays and I am fine losing those sweepstakes.

Again, I don't want a bunch of reckless big payday signings, but if you get arguably the best player in the league for 5 years for a hefty price when that is a position of absolute need...especially if that player is of high character.

As for Hatcher...I just don't know. I remember playing them when they were absolutely crippled on the DL last year and he stepped up HUGE against us. The year prior? He had a solid outing in the home game to end the season. He stood out because I kept thinking their DL has been decimated by age and injury and this dude stepped in to fill the void. But he's 31. I am all for stop gap players...maybe Tracy Porter works out. Lavauo? I mean, I know they haven't hit the field yet so we could have done enough and will be using the draft to fill other needs.

I am just not all that impressed and disappointed the OL has not been the main focus. We have plenty of money to fill 2 positions with more than just value signings.

Maybe none of those guys wanted to play in DC.

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I gotcha brother, but like I said in another post, the gap between the middle tier guys is minimal.... the 8th best G/T/C/ is not THAT much better then the 15th. They might have their eyes on a specific guy and know that they can get him for less if they let the market 'dry' up a little bit. Not to mention, would you rather have the 20th best G, or pickup a young guy in the draft who fits your scheme and develop the O-line together. You've got your anchor in Trent, and he's still relatively young. I don't want to buy an O-line where it's a bunch of guys who were successful in a system we aren't going to run. Square peg/round hole deal.

As far as those other names, we have no idea what kind of deals we tried to give them. I hate to say this, but I'm sure we've lost out on some free agents because we might give them a better a deal, but they prefer to go elsewhere with their services. You tellin me that if Ward was offered similar deals by us and Denver, you think he'd chose us? Ha. Denver was in the superbowl last year.... not bashing the Redskins, just trying to look at things objectively. I'm sure Meriwether wasn't their first choice, hence the reason we didn't sign him back day 1.

you're right. but that begs the question - how did a team like Denver get to the SB? at one time in the not too distant past...they were a dreg as well.
 
you're right. but that begs the question - how did a team like Denver get to the SB? at one time in the not too distant past...they were a dreg as well.



Setting the single seasons record for points scored... then they face a real defense and got embarrassed. Even Peyton Manning can get beat with good corner play and a pass rush. Russell Wilson averaged less then 200 yards passing per game in the playoffs...
 
they won a playoff game with Tebow. Peyton is easily 10x the QB that Tebow is. they set the points record as well as Peyton resetting the TD record.

Al, you are looking for reasons to be angry and to find something negative here. Thats cool if its your thing, but outside of one season of 4-12 they have never really been "a dreg" of a team.

Mike...not angry at all. the Skins have a franchise QB and a coach who...at least from a distance...strikes me as having the "right stuff." they have rebuilt a solid culture. they have cornered the owner into a less hands-on role in respect to football operations. all good things.

like any fan....I can look at individual moves and like/dis-like. like any board..I can post what I think about those moves. there's a difference between assessment of the tactics and goals. I share everyone's hopes in respect to the common goal - winning a championship(s). I don't think there's any obligation for anyone to agree on their assessment of the tactics just to make folks feel better (not directed at you) or promote some false sense of optimism.

this franchise hit a bottom with Zorn/Vinny. it was the very poster child for horrendous ownership, management and leadership. since that time, 3-13 nothwithstanding, it has turned a critical corner and is on a trajectory for success. no doubt about that IMO. we can disagree on whether we could be getting to the goal faster. I have never argued that the chartered coarse is doomed to fail or idiotic. like others...I have argued that there is certainly maneuvering room for setting some different way-points along the way.

the Broncos went downhill after their last SB victory - one reason Shanahan was eventually fired. All I'm saying is that they resurrected themselves - how did they do it?
 
Well, one thing is for sure. Anything less than a Super Bowl victory this season, will make Denver's drunken spending spree a total failure. Nothing else will be acceptable.
 
List of Denver Broncos seasons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Broncos last won the super bown in 1998. In the 14 seasons that followed (not counting 2013) they:
made the playoffs 6 of those season.
made it to the divisional round 3 of those seasons
finished above .500 8 of those seasons
finished at .500 4 of those seasons
meaning they finished below .500 only twice - 7-9 in 2007 and 4-12 in 2010
Have posted some sort of X of the Year player 4 times.
Finished in their division:
1st - 3 times
2nd - 7 times

All in all I wouldn't say they exactly fell apart after their last super bowl victory. That's a significantly better run than most teams have had over that time. They had bad years and early outs in the playoffs after going 13-3 a total of 3 times. But they've had significantly more success than we've had over that same time period.
 
I think you know the answer...Peyton Manning.

he set the records for most TDs and points scored. its not hard to win when you do that.

bingo! a FA! and...they set about a strategy that included both drafts and strategic FA signings. that's all I'm saying. it's not one or the other. and it's not one first and the other last. there are all sorts of permutations on the theme.

this is another topic that has exhausted itself. time to start thinking about the draft!
 
I'm watching the FSU pro day. I've yet to see anyone wearing Skins gear yet although reps from every team are reported to be there. I have seen Chip Kelly, Mike Tomlin, the Ryan brothers, among others.
 
who did they draft?

they also took a HUGE risk on Peyton. He had to have his neck re-evaluated this off season and even if he would have failed they would owe him something like $14mil. would you have been OK with paying an older vet with injury issues $14mil just to retire?

nobody would have..

exactly! risk taking.

in the event. let's close this discussion per previous and move on to the draft.

have a great San Dog day!
 

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