2024 - Way too early draft thread

I don’t who was rushing against him, but he made them look like a JV football player rushing against a pro. The guy looked small and he just demolished him.
 
Hope he’s better than his brother.

Chris rated a 37 on PFF for play in 2023.
 


Chris is clearly in Peters' ear :ROFLMAO:
 
Charley Casserly was on The Junkies yesterday and shared some of the results from his 10 year study of the NFL draft. He defines a successful draft pick as a player that is a starter after 4 years (independent of what team the player is currently with).

His hit rates for rounds 2, 3, & 4 are as follows:

2nd round- 50-55%
3rd round- 33%
4th round- 25%
 
Eh. After ‘81 not so much.

’79- Rich Milot (7th), Monte Coleman (11th)
’80- none
’81- Dexter Manley (5th), Charley Brown (8th), Darryl Grant (9th), Clint Didier (12th)
’82- none
’83- Kelvin Bryant (7th)
’84- none
’85- Barry Wilburn (8th), Terry Orr (10th), Raleigh McKenzie (11th)
’86- Mark Rypien (6th), Kurt Gouveia (8th)
’87- Timmy Smith (5th), Ed Simmons (6th), Johnny Thomas (7th), Clarence Vaughn (8th)
’88- Stan Humphries (6th)
 
Beathard- Rounds 1-4

’78- none
’79- Don Warren (4th)
’80- Art Monk (1st)
’81- Mark May (1st), Russ Grimm (3rd)
’82- Vernon Davis (2nd)
’83- Darrell Green (1st), Charles Mann (3rd)
’84- Jay Schroeder (3rd)
’85- Tory Nixon (2nd)
’86- Alvin Walton (3rd)
’87- Brian Davis (2nd)
’88- Chip Lohmiller (2nd), Mike Oliphant (3rd), Jamie Morris (4th)
 
Barry Wilburn lead the NFL in interceptions and helped win Super Bowl XXII with a pick.

Raleigh McKenzie was with Washington for 14 years, mostly as a starter at guard where he started Super Bowl XXVI against the Bills.

Kurt Gouveia was a great cover linebacker and helped win Super Bowl XXVI with a key interception off Jim Kelly.

Rypien was the Super Bowl MVP and starter in the Pro Bowl in 1991. He was a pro bowl alternate in 1990.

Ed Simmons was a guard with the team for a number of seasons, starting when Joe Jacoby got injured. He played RT in several games during the 1991 14-2 season.

Johnny Thomas was one of the best special teams cover guys in the NFL.

In fact almost ALL of the players mentioned after 1981 contributed towards WINNING a championship or two.

The fact none of these players are going to the HOF doesn’t mean anything to me.

A lot of it is you had to see the teams play and HOW and WHEN these players stood up to be counted.

Years later Dwaine Board and Fred Dean are all but forgotten for their role in helping the 49ers win their first Super Bowl.

Seeing younger fans today you would think Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott were out there by themselves.
 
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I’m not taking exception to the wins, just to the idea that his ‘hit rate was off the charts’. IMO it wasn’t and exemplifies the belief that all drafting is a crap shoot.
 
Who's dumb idea was it to put the Senior Bowl on NFL Network?
 
Chris, you have to admit that when a player helps you win the Super Bowl and he is a late round draft pick, that's pretty good drafting ;)

If the 'hit' rate on a 4th rounder is less than 40% then what is the hit rate on a 9th rounder or 11th rounder when the draft went that deep?

Probably around 5-10%.

We should probably have defined 'hit'.

To me a 'hit' is someone who comes out of nowhere and helps you win.

It doesn't necessarily have to be Tom Brady selected with the #199 pick of Round 6 who goes to Canton.
 
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Maye is listed at 6’4 230. Josh Allen at 6’5 237. Which one is way off?

Maybe Drake has very heavy feet?
 
Beathard drafted in a different era. He had a network of guys to lean on to find players no one knew about.

Today, there aren't any players out there that aren't known. Every guy is in the book.
 
This could go in various current threads, but putting it here since I'm focusing specifically on the QB-or-not-QB angle and Caleb Williams.

Hiring Kingsbury certainly can give the appearance we're looking hard at a QB at the top of the draft ... be it staying at #2 ... or (gasp) trying to move up to #1 ... or even trading down far enough for value AND still picking up a QB a little later on day one or even day two.

My first thought on our hiring Kingsbury wasn't so much about that, though. It was that, by having Williams' QB coach at USC in the room, if and when Peters and Quinn do seriously entertain thoughts of going after Williams, they'll at least have some legit first-hand intel about the kid. About all the various media-narrative concerns ... can he work on-schedule or is he just a playground scrambler like Murray ... is he a good teammate or Ryan Leaf ... is he coachable or a bag of hammers like RGIII ... etc.

 
Ironically, my impression of the Kingsbury hire is that he is not who you want if you want Caleb Williams. After all, if the problem is that Caleb has become a diva and is not driven to become more disciplined and work harder than pairing him with his old coach that couldn't shed him of his diva tendencies and make him that more disciplined player isn't the guy you want. Kingsbury might be the guy you want if you are satisfied with Caleb Williams as a player and prospect, but if you think he has growing to do than he probably needs a different voice in his ear.
 
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at a minimum, if we don't get Caleb in the draft, I really dont want to hear from the nutjobs on Twitter talking about how we missed out. With Kingsbury in the building, if we decide not to go get Caleb, that screams to me that he aint it.
 
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This is the reason you don't trade up. We are desperate for offensive linemen. Ideally, we need three between draft and free agency. If we get the QB in round 1 then you better start collecting tackles and guards in round 2
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