2023 Offensive Coordinator Thread

Who’s your OC pick?

  • Eric Bienemy

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Greg Roman

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Pat Shurmur

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ken Zampese

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (specify in comments)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    7
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I still go back to the fact, I don't know how you get a proven OC to come here with all that is up in the air with the coaching staff and ownership. Why would you do a lateral move in that scenario? If you are unproven, maybe you take a one year shot at it.

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ST - I’m not sure what that has to do with anything I’m saying brother - unless the idea is there is a rift there or they aren’t that crazy about EB and thus = 1 year deals. We don’t know who it is that prefers a 1 year deal but I have to wonder if that’s all EB will agree to?

And if you are looking for long-term stability why on earth would you want to come to DC where the entire coaching crew may be dead men walking?

There could be some agreement in place that explains all this. Bottom line I don’t see why he’d want to come here.


just that you mentioned you hadn't heard he was on the hot seat... i'm saying he doesn't HAVE to be on the hot seat because he's not under contract... thus no need to get 'fired'

as far as the long term stability... it doesn't matter in coaching. KC and EB could have inked a 5 year deal KNOWING that if he got a HC gig he could leave at any time... it doesn't make sense why either side would want a 1 year deal unless they both know they're going to part ways once a 'better' opportunity comes up... even if that opportunity is a 'lateral' move in title. The only reason I can think is that Bienemy knows he may want to leave to take another OC job and this is the way to prevent needing to force a team to 'promote' him in order to get him.
 
i'm not stating facts, i'm actually talking myself through it lol... i feel like i'm jumping all over the place.
 
Yep, feel the same way.
 
I don't think it is unreasonable to see Washington as an interesting opportunity for EB if you consider the things we know and the rumors.

1. We know EB wants to be a head coach and is a "hot" candidate yearly.
2. We know through NFL reports that he has a perception issue in NFL circles because Reid calls plays and is so heavily involved in the offense.
3. We know that to shake that perception, he is going to have to be "the man" somewhere
4. We know that he has been involved, at least somewhat, in the success of young QBs from less traditional QB schools before (ie - Mahomes out of Texas Tech).
5. We know he isn't afraid to bet on himself (continuing to sign 1 yr contracts is a good indicator of this).
6. We know Washington has an offense loaded at the skill positions - probably even more so than KC right now - just waiting for a QB.
7. We know Washington has an exciting QB prospect on the roster who shares some traits with Mahomes.
8. We know a proven ability to develop QB talent is important in today's NFL.
9. We know lots of people in the league think this team is an average QB away from contention in the NFC.
10.. We know that we have a bonafid championship-level defense - better than the one EB's offense is carrying in KC.

Yeah, there are a lot of questions in Washington too - especially about ownership which leads to future questions about future club direction.

However, if you are a bright, relatively young offensive-minded coach who is tired of being the bridesmaid but never the bride in the NFL's version of the dating game, you have got to be getting a little desperate. You have got to be thinking outside the box and planning a move that will lead to the move you really want but aren't currently getting doing what you are doing now.

Given all the positives outlined above and given that EB has been a hot candidate for the last 3-4 years, there is every reason for him to believe that a successful 2023 season in Washington would prove he is for real without Reid and lead to a Heac Coach offer somewhere in 2024. There is also reason to believe that Washington already has the offensive tools necessary for that success.
 
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Doesn’t exactly sound like a guy who’s pining to be the Commanders OC. I still think the Bienemy stuff is wishful thinking.
 
It appears unlikely that Bieniemy scores a HC gig for next season. What he needs more than anything is the opportunity to showcase what he can do outside of Andy Reid’s considerable shadow.

 
I am not vouching for the accuracy or validity of the below information, just snippets I found sniffing around sports sites are somewhat concerning. To be fair, these incidents seem to all be around 2001 or earlier which was a long time ago. But some pretty serious *alleged* lapses in judgment. A common thread seems to be perhaps a problem with alcohol and managing his temper. Perhaps that's all well behind him, I don't know - not sure he's a good fit on a franchise still trying to recover from decades of sexual abuse and harassment? And the way that Logan Paulsen described his coaching style sounds like someone with an overly aggressive personality and communication style. Makes me nervous.

Some of what's out there:



Lost in his success with the Kansas City Chiefs is Eric Bieniemy’s rap sheet of poor decision-making:
  • February 1998: According to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy and teammate Kanavis McGhee after a bar fight. Bieniemy was charged with disorderly conduct and fighting in public, but he pleaded no contest. He and McGhee received deferred sentences and performed court-mandated community service.
  • July 4, 1990: According to the Orlando Sentinel, Bienemy pleaded no contest after allegedly shoving a firefighter. The University of Colorado Boulder suspended Bieniemy for one game in the upcoming season.
  • September 1993: Colorado police arrested Bieniemy, then in the NFL. The Orlando Sentinel reports that Bieniemy allegedly grabbed a female parking attendant by the neck and threatened her. The University of Colorado Boulder banned Bieniemy from its campus for one year as a result.
  • April 2001: According to the Daily Bruin, Colorado police arrested Bieniemy on a DUI charge, three months after he joined the football staff as a running back coach. He previously had his driver’s license suspended after numerous violations.
  • Bieniemy was also linked to allegations that Colorado’s football program “used alcohol and sex to lure recruits.” ESPN reported in 2004 that the university discovered there was evidence of drugs and alcohol being used to “entice recruits,” but no university officials were guilty of misconduct.

Legal issues
As a player at Colorado, Bieniemy was arrested along with teammate Kanavis McGhee following a February 1988 bar fight. McGhee said the dispute arose after Bieniemy alleged that he had been called a "little n*gger" by a bar patron.[12] He pleaded no contest to disorderly conduct and fighting in public, and was sentenced to community service.[12] Bieniemy also received discipline from head coach Bill McCartney.[12]

In 1989, Bieniemy was ticketed in Westminster, Colorado for driving a defective vehicle, and in Aurora, Colorado for speeding. In October 1990, his license was suspended for a year after another traffic violation. On March 21, 1991, Bieniemy was caught speeding and driving with suspended license on I-70 near Rifle, Colorado, going 92 mph in a 65 mph zone. On April 17, 1991, Bieniemy failed to appear in court on charges relating to the March 21 incident. A bench warrant was issued in Colorado for his arrest on April 23, 1991, two days after Bieniemy was drafted in the 1991 NFL Draft.[13]

On July 4, 1990, Bieniemy pleaded no contest to interfering with a firefighter who had been performing his duties to extinguish a fire in Bieniemy's mother's garage.[13] Bieniemy received an eight-month suspended sentence[14] and was suspended for one game.[15] Bieniemy was instructed to do 40 hours of community service and attend an eight-hour firefighting training session.[13] An assistant city attorney said that Bieniemy failed to attend the firefighting training session as stipulated in the plea agreement, but Bieniemy asserted the session was optional.[13]

On September 27, 1993, Bieniemy was arrested in Boulder, Colorado, for allegedly harassing a female parking attendant. According to the police report, while with his friends, Bieniemy put his hand on the attendant's neck, startling her. She told police ,"[14] that Bieniemy and his friends took off their pants and began urinating nearby. Bieniemy was also named in an outstanding warrant on a charge of driving with a suspended license. As a result of this incident, Bieniemy was banned from the University of Colorado Boulder campus for one year.[6][16]

In April 2001, Bieniemy was arrested for driving under the influence and was docked a month's pay.[17]

Bieniemy Was at the Center of a Coaching Scandal
Another reason why Bieniemy may not get past Round 1 of interviews could surround the scandal that struck Colorado while he was their RBs coach. Though the news of the scandal didn’t hit until he was a few years into his next stop — at UCLA as both a running backs coach and recruiting coordinator — the incidents described overlap with his time there.

Several recruits and Colorado football players attended parties where women were allegedly sexually assaulted, though most of the specific charges were dropped by the prosecution in favor of a broader one for “creating a hostile environment for women,” alleging that recruits were promised sex at the party.

More concretely, the Boulder District Attorney accused the University of using illegal drugs, prostitution, and providing alcohol to minors in their recruitment efforts. It is unclear whether Bieniemy had a role or knowledge in any of this, but he was heavily involved in the overall recruiting process, a reason he was given the title of recruiting coordinator at UCLA along with his position as running backs coach.
 
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I guess the positive is that there doesn't seem to be anything that's not twenty years old. Like you said, maybe he worked it out. I think this would raise more alerts under Gruden and Allen than Rivera, but it is something to ask. One thing we have going for us is that Reid and Rivera are pretty close according to stories. I don't think Reid would screw Rivera with a guy like that. I also don't think that Reid would tolerate someone on his staff who was out of control especially if Reid really is the brains and Bienemy is merely relaying the plays.

Still, you're right. If this is why he hasn't gotten the head coaching gig and owner's due diligence indicate he's a high wire act I don't know that he'd be safe here. We're not known for stringing good nets.
 
Thanks for sharing that, brother. I had no idea about that stuff. No one thing there would "disqualify" the man in my view, but taken as a whole it makes it a whole lot easier to understand why no owner has been willing to pull the trigger on hiring him as a HC. I don't think I would. Because even if he had seen the light and lived a clean model life ever since, the questions and doubts and concerns would always be right there beneath the surface ready to emerge the first time there was any crisis.

If it was someone whose resume screamed elite success, maybe you cross your fingers and roll the dice. But to me this isn't that guy.
 
And as I said - this is a franchise whose owner is STILL being investigated for creating a culture/environment where misogyny, toxicity, sexual harassment, and abuse were promoted, tolerated, and encouraged.

I’m surprised we would consider a guy with a history of out of control behavior, particularly with allegations of physical abuse of a female on record.
 
Indy was the one HC opportunity that Eric Bieniemy was still in the running for.

 
The Colts apparently look in one place for coaches, Philadelphia. Back to back hires of the Philly offensive coordinator.
 
The Colts apparently look in one place for coaches, Philadelphia. Back to back hires of the Philly offensive coordinator.


I dont think it's an accident considering they're making their 2nd SB appearance in 5 years... both times on the back of a team not QB centric.
 
No way Bieniemy is coming here as an OC.

It'd be like trading in a V-10 Jaguar for a 78 Ford Granada.
 
Yeah but this V-10 Jaguar belongs to his dad and he only gets to drive it every once in a while.
 
I have seen a lot of speculation that Bienemy has worn out his welcome in KC and Andy Reid even spoke about it recently, that Bienemy can be 'tough on veteran players' or words to that effect. There's clearly something wrong in that he's had so many head coaching interviews and not a single team has been willing to take a chance on him, despite him having the 'hot coordinator' tag and having been studying at the heels of Andy Reid for a lot of his career.

So to Neo's point, it may be less about 'not getting to drive the car' than it is that things have run their course in KC and perhaps his alternative choices aren't as tantalizing as they might be for an OC of a multi-championship team?

I hope he's not the choice. I don't think we need that kind of vibe on this staff and I don't think he's head coaching material (which would be one of the few rationales for him coming to DC).
 
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