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Random Commanders Thoughts

Remember when this was our offensive attack?

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MikeSr619 said:
I'm more concerned with the play calling with our running backs than if they can actually run. we are strongest to the right side so can we stop running draw plays up the gut? can we try some off tackle stuff? Maybe some more screen plays?

Jones has his issues but not even AP could succeed with the horrible play calling that was our coach/OC last year.
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Can call the best running play in the world if your running back stuttersteps he is gonna get tacked for minimal gain
 
redskins26 said:
Can call the best running play in the world if your running back stuttersteps he is gonna get tacked for minimal gain
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Ooh, I can play this game too!

If your coach calls three plays for one RB, then switches things around, it's hard for any RB to get into a rhythm, thus the stutter-stepping.

You're right, this IS fun!
 
Goaldeje said:
Ooh, I can play this game too!

If your coach calls three plays for one RB, then switches things around, it's hard for any RB to get into a rhythm, thus the stutter-stepping.

You're right, this IS fun!
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But it's hard for you us to support this argument when Jones went out. Morris was given the bulk of the reps in the run game once Jones was on the bench and still never hit the hole like he used to. That is not "getting into a rhythm" that is a flaw in his vision and/or ability.
 
Elephant said:
But it's hard for you us to support this argument when Jones went out. Morris was given the bulk of the reps in the run game once Jones was on the bench and still never hit the hole like he used to. That is not "getting into a rhythm" that is a flaw in his vision and/or ability.
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Scott M mentioned something about running backs this year and it was true of Alfred his first 2-3 seasons the ones that made the first defenders miss consistently had higher yardage. Alfred in 2012 his average first hit was about 3.3 yards past the line of scrimmage and he made the defender miss more times than not. This year his average was 2.1 and he was getting tackled more times than breaking free.
 
Elephant said:
But it's hard for you us to support this argument when Jones went out. Morris was given the bulk of the reps in the run game once Jones was on the bench and still never hit the hole like he used to. That is not "getting into a rhythm" that is a flaw in his vision and/or ability.
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Problem is, "the bulk of" carries almost never equaled "enough" carries, for any back.

The last 4 games, (3 regular season, 1 playoff), with Jones out, Morris got the only stretch of consecutive, double digit carries per game, all season. They still weren't enough touches. But they seem to show that more touches did indeed help him get more rhythm going.

61 carries...283yds...4.6 YPC = Alfred ****ing Morris. When finally, and consistently called upon, Alfred delivered. There are obviously those among us that believe the biggest problem, is that Gruden didn't call on him enough, since he's been head coach.

Additionally, in the 4 games Alfred got more touches than Jones, he had a higher YPC average, every time.
In the 8 games Jones got more touches he had a higher YPC only 5 times. Morris 2 times. And one game (Panthers) they both were sub zero.

There were many problems with the run game last year. But Alfred was the least of them. The playcalling was. Blame whoever you want. But Gruden, as head coach, gets the lions share. The timing of calls, along with the willy-nilly approach to substitutions, made it look like a monkey trying to screw a basketball. I have said, and do indeed believe, that Gruden would struggle to properly use Jim Brown. Hyperbole? Sure. But his history, to date, does not inspire confidence. He'll have to earn it.
 
Ax said:
Problem is, "the bulk of" carries almost never equaled "enough" carries, for any back.

The last 4 games, (3 regular season, 1 playoff), with Jones out, Morris got the only stretch of consecutive, double digit carries per game, all season. They still weren't enough touches. But they seem to show that more touches did indeed help him get more rhythm going.

61 carries...283yds...4.6 YPC = Alfred ****ing Morris. When finally, and consistently called upon, Alfred delivered. There are obviously those among us that believe the biggest problem, is that Gruden didn't call on him enough, since he's been head coach.

Additionally, in the 4 games Alfred got more touches than Jones, he had a higher YPC average, every time.
In the 8 games Jones got more touches he had a higher YPC only 5 times. Morris 2 times. And one game (Panthers) they both were sub zero.

There were many problems with the run game last year. But Alfred was the least of them. The playcalling was. Blame whoever you want. But Gruden, as head coach, gets the lions share. The timing of calls, along with the willy-nilly approach to substitutions, made it look like a monkey trying to screw a basketball. I have said, and do indeed believe, that Gruden would struggle to properly use Jim Brown. Hyperbole? Sure. But his history, to date, does not inspire confidence. He'll have to earn it.
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And you are still missing the point, he did not hit the hole like he did in previous years. If you cannot see that he was hesitant at the line when the hole was there, you weren't watching the same games as most people...including our front office and 30 other NFL teams who took a pass at a very reasonable contract. Alfred was a part of the problem, he was not nearly as confident hitting the holes as he once was and he is no longer here because he did not get the job done like he did in the past.


You're the one making this about Jones v Alfred, not me. This is about the fact he no longer had what he once did and his play last year proved it or he'd have been re-signed so I guess the front office sees it too.

Edit: And I don't feel like doing the research, but I would wager that over the course of the first 3 years of his career here, I would wager he did not need to "get into a rhythm" for success in the first Q of games. I remember big chunks of yardage on first drives. How long would it take to "get into a rhythm"?
 
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Not missing any points. Just know he spent as much time looking to the sidelines to see if he was getting yanked again, as he did looking for holes.
That Gruden has never shown an ability to call a good, consistent running game. Anywhere. Regardless of the back.

And Alfred may have been more hesitant than in the past. But even accepting that, he still, down the stretch, given more opportunities, was at 4.6 YPC. Right there where he was his first 2yrs.

So then, the point was, and is, that...given the chance, I trust Morris, or Jones, or Thompson, or Marshall, or even you, to be better at running the ball, than I do Gruden's ability to properly use the weapons at his disposal, in the running game.

I know I'm not the only one that thinks that. But, you know me, I wouldn't care if I was.

I would also note that you have no problem disagreeing with the FO when it comes to trading away 4th round picks. Especially when YOU know better. :)
 
Alfred Morris has proven that under a different head coach he can run the ball effectively.

John Gruden has not proven, as a head coach or an OC, that with a different RB he can coach an effective running game.

Maybe Morris was just flat-out bad last year, but until Gruden actually puts together a decent running attack, I won't believe he can until I see it. The end.
 
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My point of concern with Matt Jones is HOW he prepared and played in 2015.

Jay Gruden indicated after the draft that he was comfortable with Jones going into camp and had confidence in him as he came in as a rookie and 'learned the offense and made some plays for us'.

But that contradicts in part what I saw out there.

I recall Jones lining up in the wrong place on given plays, Cousins having to motion him to the correct assignment. Jones also missed assignments in pass protection.

In short he didn't look that comfortable out there as a rookie IMO.

He was not a guy like Jamison Crowder that did in fact look like a guy that was fully prepared and ready to contribute as a rookie.

This is all not to say that Jones won't be a solid contributor, but his rookie year with the missed assignments, problems handling the ball, etc. was hardly a walk in the park which his 3.5 per carry average shows.
 
Henry said:
Alfred Morris has proven that under a different head coach he can run the ball effectively.

John Gruden has not proven, as a head coach or an OC, that with a different RB he can coach an effective running game.

Maybe Morris was just flat-out bad last year, but until Gruden actually puts together a decent running attack, I won't believe he can until I see it. The end.
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The same things could also be said of Jay Gruden.
 
Elephant said:
But it's hard for you us to support this argument when Jones went out. Morris was given the bulk of the reps in the run game once Jones was on the bench and still never hit the hole like he used to. That is not "getting into a rhythm" that is a flaw in his vision and/or ability.
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El, I won't belabor this as others have already addressed it, but Morris looked fine to me when Jones was out at the end of the year. Even if I aquiesce that Morris didn't look as good as he had in years past, I would still argue that was in part because of Gruden's playcalling. As others have said, Gruden has never put together a running game. NEVER.

Last year, he chose a rookie with fumbling problems who lined up in the wrong place over a guy who had proven it. If you don't think that causes a player to over-think things and causes them to become indecisive and stutter step, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying he didn't look worse last year, he clearly did. But I credit the playcalling for contributing to his demise much more than the player himself.
 
Goaldeje said:
If you don't think that causes a player to over-think things and causes them to become indecisive and stutter step, I don't know what to tell you.
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If that's the case, I question his abilities. The good ones don't and I think he "was" a good one. I think his body has taken too much pounding over the first 3 years of his career, and he is simply not big enough to run as hard as long as he did. He lost a step...and you can blame that on the coach all you want, but under that same coach a year prior, he ran for 201 less yard with only 11 less carries than the year before under Shanahan. "I guess we can chalk that up to a poor OL and a coach who doesn't know how to be successful running the ball."

Again, this is not a Jones v. Morris argument so you and Ax can save that fight for someone else...this is about a RB that has demonstrably regressed in his last 2 season. You blame coaching, fine...I suggest it is a RB who has simply been battered in his 4 seasons in the NFL, and that has affected his ability on the field.

Edit: Let me break off another of my predictions that seem to go unnoticed because it goes against the grain and you guys are hell bent on giving a battered RB the benfit of the doubt, suggesting he could have been a Hall of Famer here if only he had a coach who lubbed him...

Alfred Morris will never gain more than 1000 yards in a season for another NFL team. Mark it...he's done, body too battered to take the pounding necessary to succeed. He cannot, will not, be able to carry the ball for 265-285 times again. But that's Jon Gruden's fault.

Hopefully, Gruden will get fired soon, so we can have another coach to blame. ***sarcasm alert***

And Ax, I didn't say the GM was wrong, I simply suggested it was a head scratcher...and admitted, I do not know. Nice try though.
 
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Heaven forbid we ever rush for 1400 yards and make the NFC championship game.
 
Elephant said:
Again, this is not a Jones v. Morris argument so you and Ax can save that fight for someone else...this is about a RB that has demonstrably regressed in his last 2 season. You blame coaching, fine...I suggest it is a RB who has simply been battered in his 4 seasons in the NFL, and that has affected his ability on the field.
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Ax already told you this wasn't simply a Jones vs Morris argument. They just happened to be the participants last season. This is about a coach who appears to struggle, at the very least, incorporating an organized, effective running attack on gameday. Regardless of the backs involved.

Edit: Let me break off another of my predictions that seem to go unnoticed because it goes against the grain and you guys are hell bent on giving a battered RB the benfit of the doubt, suggesting he could have been a Hall of Famer here if only he had a coach who lubbed him.

Alfred Morris will never gain more than 1000 yards in a season for another NFL team. Mark it...he's done, body too battered to take the pounding necessary to succeed. He cannot, will not, be able to carry the ball for 265-285 times again. But that's Jon Gruden's fault.
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Now you're letting your inner liberal democrat loose. Nobody's trying to put Alfred in the HOF. We just haven't ordered a Fathead of Gruden's fat ass, yet.
What did that cost, BTW. :)

Hopefully, Gruden will get fired soon, so we can have another coach to blame. ***sarcasm alert***
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Sarcasm noted. But, for the record, Ax is on file supporting the continued employment of said, Gruden.

And Ax, I didn't say the GM was wrong, I simply suggested it was a head scratcher...and admitted, I do not know. Nice try though.
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Well, you said you did "know" there had to be someone there worth taking. Clearly questioning whether Scot did. But, nice try.

What's next, you'll say your plane landed under enemy gunfire? ***sarcasm alert***
 
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