How will you 'fan' the rest of the way - pray for wins or hope to lose out?

[Faithful Fan]

The Seahawks are perennial winners?

Since 2000, the Washington Commanders (formerly the Redskins) have a regular season record of 173-238-2. During this period, they have had a .420 winning percentage, made 5 playoff appearances, and won 3 playoff games.

Since 2000, the Seattle Seahawks have a regular season record of 235–176–1, which includes a 14–14 record in the playoffs (and a Super Bowl championship) during that same period.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Chase Young would be EDGE1 here. He is having a really good season

???

He has only played 5 games and recorded 13 combined tackles.

 

[Faithful Fan]

We never did. Tanking is being at the bottom of the league multiple years straight. We were mainly in that 500 range under Jay and Ron

We have had 11 top-5 picks since 1992 and would have had more if we didn’t trade 3 first rounders for RG3.

 

[Halcyon Times]

The Seahawks are perennial winners?

Seahawks had a 7 win season in ‘21. Prior to that their last losing season was in ‘11. Add a little Super Bowl win in ‘14 and that would be pretty damn perennial. 🤷‍♂️ What’s your definition?

Fans here would schpooge all over themselves on an annual basis for that kind of success.

 

[Gooseneck]

I will have joy no matter what. If we win, great. If we lose, the draft gets interesting. Also makes it interesting to other teams and seeing what they do. Go Cleveland.

 

[Petey hodge]

Not sure if we have a Tank Watch thread yet... but the competition for Top 5 draft position sucks.

Tennessee is on One win; there's a couple of Two win teams, and a bunch of Three win teams with us (though we own the tiebreaker with ATL LOL-not)

 

[DWinzit]

Chase Young would be EDGE1 here. He is having a really good season

As much as he isn't very good you are right, It's not really hard though because he'd only need to beat out Preston Smith and jaylon holmes

 

[Dlts20]

I'm still in it until the end of the Philly game tonight. Are only chance basically is to win out and have Philly go 2-6. That's unlikely considering they are the 1 seed and defending SB Champs. I don't think that we will have the tie breaker over anyone in the playoff race except Philly because we still have to play them twice.

2-6 for Philly seems impossible but they did have that crazy collapse after their last SB appearance and I could see them losing to Detroit tonight. Then losing the last 3 to us twice and buffalo. I'm only including us because again, that is the only way this happens. That's 6 losses for them.

Then they would have to lose 2 of 4 against, at, Dallas, Chicago, at LAC, and Vegas. You know that that they won't lose at home to Vegas so they would have to go 1-2 against the other 3.Not impossible but it's like a minus infinity chance... Lol

Still, I'm open to it until tonight's game ends, sadly

 

[Bulldog]

Seahawks had a 7 win season in ‘21. Prior to that their last losing season was in ‘11. Add a little Super Bowl win in ‘14 and that would be pretty damn perennial. 🤷‍♂️ What’s your definition?

Fans here would schpooge all over themselves on an annual basis for that kind of success.

My definition of a perennial winner is not a team that loses in the wildcard round when they make the playoffs.

Instead I would recommend you see the Chiefs, Patriots, Eagles, etc.

These teams have won multiple Super Bowls in that same period you referenced and made it deep into the playoffs on numerous other occasions.

 

[McD5]

Taking emotions out of it, is there any benefit to winning another game this season?

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

I said "other" in the survey although I am closest to always wanting to win. However, if they are eliminated from playoff contention?? At that point, what is the real value of winning in the long-term? What is the value? I guess playing devil's advocate, to make FAs feel like there's something here worth joining?

As long as you are in playoff contention, it's probably in some respects strange to say there's no point to playing. After you are eliminated, I can understand. I remember a couple of seasons where they had to win 5 or 6 straight to get in, and they did it. This team is now 3-8. If they win out, it would be 6 straight to get to 9-8, and it includes 2 against the Eagles. Unlikely? Yes, especially given what we have seen. Impossible? No.

 

[Faithful Fan]

My definition of a perennial winner is not a team that loses in the wildcard round when they make the playoffs.

Instead I would recommend you see the Chiefs, Patriots, Eagles, etc.

These teams have won multiple Super Bowls in that same period you referenced and made it deep into the playoffs on numerous other occasions.

The Seahawks are 14-12 in the playoffs since 2005 including three NFC titles and one Super Bowl win. We could only dream of such success. Sure they’re not a dynasty like the Patriots, but they’re not “a team that loses the wildcard when they make the playoffs” either.

 

[Halcyon Times]

My definition of a perennial winner is not a team that loses in the wildcard round when they make the playoffs.

Instead I would recommend you see the Chiefs, Patriots, Eagles, etc.

These teams have won multiple Super Bowls in that same period you referenced and made it deep into the playoffs on numerous other occasions.

I went out of my way to not cherry pick the Eagles/Chiefs.

The last time the Chiefs “tanked” was in 2012. They got Kelce in the 3rd round of the subsequent draft. Did they have to lose to get him? Guess where the player they drafted, I’m sorry, tanked for in the 1st round is now. He was a really good player for them but I highly doubt they considered losing to get him as an option.

The Eagles had 4 wins in ‘20. They got DeVonta Smith in the first round of the ‘21 draft. Are you trying to say that all their success is bc they sucked for Smith? Please. They’ve only had 5 losing seasons since ‘00 with the worst one being the 4 win. Tell me how losing helped them maintain that level of success.


I used the term perennial winner meaning maintaining a level of success not always championship caliber. I’m being marginally realistic when compared to this shitshow. Other than two lightning strike seasons, this team has been a Pinto to Seattle at least being Lincoln not necessarily a Rolls.

But please feel free to explain how the Patriots lost for Brady, the Eagles for Hurts or Saquan and the Chiefs for Mahomes in order to achieve their high levels of success. Your examples not mine.

The entire discussion is dumb. Good organizations find a way to consistently win. Lousy organizations don’t.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Taking emotions out of it, is there any benefit to winning another game this season?

Why take emotions out of it? Do you really want to lose to Dallas on Christmas Day?

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

I went out of my way to not cherry pick the Eagles/Chiefs.

The last time the Chiefs “tanked” was in 2012. They got Kelce in the 3rd round of the subsequent draft. Did they have to lose to get him? Guess where the player they drafted, I’m sorry, tanked for in the 1st round is now. He was a really good player for them but I highly doubt they considered losing to get him as an option.

The Eagles had 4 wins in ‘20. They got DeVonta Smith in the first round of the ‘21 draft. Are you trying to say that all their success is bc they sucked for Smith? Please. They’ve only had 5 losing seasons since ‘00 with the worst one being the 4 win. Tell me how losing helped them maintain that level of success.


I used the term perennial winner meaning maintaining a level of success not always championship caliber. I’m being marginally realistic when compared to this shitshow. Other than two lightning strike seasons, this team has been a Pinto to Seattle at least being Lincoln not necessarily a Rolls.

But please feel free to explain how the Patriots lost for Brady, the Eagles for Hurts or Saquan and the Chiefs for Mahomes in order to achieve their high levels of success. Your examples not mine.

The entire discussion is dumb. Good organizations find a way to consistently win. Lousy organizations don’t.

Intellectually there isn’t any long term value to winning after you are eliminated from playoff contention- except perhaps to avoid any potential FA stain that puts people off maybe? Or avoiding organizational stink (of losing) to whatever degree possible?

However I tend to believe that if you have a good GM you can draft anywhere and get better; a big reason for that is the difficulty of prediction and that there are enough bad GMs. If you have a bad GM, it won’t matter where you draft.

Still- a good GM with a higher pick obviously has an advantage of some sort.

 

[lovemaskins]

I said "other" in the survey although I am closest to always wanting to win. However, if they are eliminated from playoff contention?? At that point, what is the real value of winning in the long-term? What is the value? I guess playing devil's advocate, to make FAs feel like there's something here worth joining?

As long as you are in playoff contention, it's probably in some respects strange to say there's no point to playing. After you are eliminated, I can understand. I remember a couple of seasons where they had to win 5 or 6 straight to get in, and they did it. This team is now 3-8. If they win out, it would be 6 straight to get to 9-8, and it includes 2 against the Eagles. Unlikely? Yes, especially given what we have seen. Impossible? No.

Dude, it’s impossible…🤨 saved you some time…

 

[lovemaskins]

Intellectually there isn’t any long term value to winning after you are eliminated from playoff contention- except perhaps to avoid any potential FA stain that puts people off maybe? Or avoiding organizational stink (of losing) to whatever degree possible?

However I tend to believe that if you have a good GM you can draft anywhere and get better; a big reason for that is the difficulty of prediction and that there are enough bad GMs. If you have a bad GM, it won’t matter where you draft.

Still- a good GM with a higher pick obviously has an advantage of some sort.

Well so far im not particularly impressed by Adam Peters considering the soup sandwich of a roster he trotted out this year…

And we’re 2 years into this mess… this roster is arguably worse than it was when Rivera left…

 

[Riggo44]

this roster is arguably worse than it was when Rivera left

I am not even going to point out how utterly idiotic this statement is.

 

[Solitary Man]

I just know Matt Gay needs to be a captain one of these weeks. He knows the assignment

 

[method man]

I went out of my way to not cherry pick the Eagles/Chiefs.

The last time the Chiefs “tanked” was in 2012. They got Kelce in the 3rd round of the subsequent draft. Did they have to lose to get him? Guess where the player they drafted, I’m sorry, tanked for in the 1st round is now. He was a really good player for them but I highly doubt they considered losing to get him as an option.

The Eagles had 4 wins in ‘20. They got DeVonta Smith in the first round of the ‘21 draft. Are you trying to say that all their success is bc they sucked for Smith? Please. They’ve only had 5 losing seasons since ‘00 with the worst one being the 4 win. Tell me how losing helped them maintain that level of success.


I used the term perennial winner meaning maintaining a level of success not always championship caliber. I’m being marginally realistic when compared to this shitshow. Other than two lightning strike seasons, this team has been a Pinto to Seattle at least being Lincoln not necessarily a Rolls.

But please feel free to explain how the Patriots lost for Brady, the Eagles for Hurts or Saquan and the Chiefs for Mahomes in order to achieve their high levels of success. Your examples not mine.

The entire discussion is dumb. Good organizations find a way to consistently win. Lousy organizations don’t.

Your example of the Eagles in 2020 and the 2021 draft is not a good one. They parlayed the original #6 pick they had in that draft into a trove of draft capital into an extra first in the 2022 draft. This was their highest pick in the 2022 draft. They had also gotten a first for Wentz from the Colts. They then traded those 2 1sts to the Saints for their first that year (traded for AJ Brown) and a first in 2023 (Jalen Carter) and a bunch of other picks.

The Eagles blatant tanking in that final game also gave them higher picks in rds 2 and 3 in 2021 that they used to draft Landon Dickerson and Milton Williams.