Riggo44
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Mark Bullock was very complimentary of Conerly. Who is Suter?
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Steve Suter. Former punt returner at UMD who is their color analyst. He goes on Sheehan’s pod on Wednesdays and does not hold back. I like him because he is the only analyst with zero ties to the team or media pool.
Logan is a company man and Bullock used to be a part of the local media for The Athletic and hasn’t played the game at any meaningful level
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Logan is a company man but at the end of the Dallas game on the radio they asked what would you want to change or look at, and he very hesitantly said the running game looked situationally predictable, it looked like the defense knew when they were running.
Logan is very hesitant ti criticize the coaches.
This is very telling. It echoes what I have said for a long time about the running game. Against well prepared defenses, we have issues, and that Dallas game our O really underperformed. The OL is fairly healthy hut is being made to look much worse than it is in my opinion.
As for criticism of Conerly, those stats are hard data. How badly did Conery play against Hutch if those are the stats when they were head to head? I guess situational info is missing but hard to see a negative with that limited hard data window. That hard data looks unblemished; I guess need to know how many snaps Conerly faced him, pass or rush downs, etc.
Riggo44
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Sounds like he's being overly critical of Conerly. There is no way he was the worst graded player in that game, when we gave up 500 yards on defense.
Well that's upsetting to read since his athleticism with pass pro was one of his strengths. Run blocking in space was always his weakness. I hoped he'd have gained strength and experience/knowledge over the year to improve that.
And this again leads me to question either the draft evaluation process and the ability to develop young players. Many of our young players have regressed or stayed stagnant in developing.
Riggo44
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Why do you assume he's right?
Everyone has their own grading, I never take any one grade as truth. It however isn't the first time I have seen negatives on him for his pass pro which is disappointing that anyone would think that sticks out as being a weakness. Hi pay strength was in question when drafted
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I don't disagree, I take it all with a grain of salt.
However, I generally disregard anyone who says "I watch film!" and then doesn't post or demonstrate what they're looking at and explain their reasoning. That's what JoeA_NFL, Theo Ash, and other wannabe Twitter "experts" do. Not saying that's Suter, but it's something that has worn thin with me. That's why I value guys like Paulsen (Logan, not Fatty), and Bullock--Brian Baldinger is one of my favorite follows--they show what they're looking at, and describe it for us. For what it's worth, PFF had Conerly's pass rating at 65.3 and 65 the last two weeks; his run blocking as been better the last three weeks: 64.1, 66.3, 76.8(!). If you tell me PFF grades aren't worth the paper they're printed on, you won't get much argument from me, but it at least aligns with what I've been seeing--that Conerly is getting better.
People are jumping all over Ryan Fowler's metrics on Forbes this week--but that, again, doesn't tell the whole story. How many times was the receiver open and the QB went to a different target? Who was Forbes covering? How much time did the QB have to throw? The Rams DL makes their CBs jobs much easier. Likewise, people have been saying BSJ "looks great this year!" He has...in about as many snaps as Jordan Magee. I also don't discount their improvement out of hand. One, Forbes wasn't going to last here. Quinn prefers bigger, physical DBs. Forbes was about as tough as a wet wad of toilet paper. BSJ was just fucking awful. But, looking at the bigger picture--our whole secondary took a huge step back this year. When it's unit-wide like it is, and we keep seeing the same issues over and over again, that's on Whitt, Simmons, and Donatell.
I have listened to most of Suter's takes. No one is gospel about players, him either. Most of what he says I find interesting.
But he also to my observation, can be a bt dismissive of players he doesn't like and comes off a bit over the top. So he doesn't think much of Daron Payne, Sainristil, Conerly, Lattimore, Quan Martin, Preston Smith. And loll, he's very hardcore dismissive.
He actually isn't high on Terry, doesn't think he's bad, but overall he's not impressed.
But also comes off as someone who pays almost no attention to pedigree of players. He doesn't know typically their history, draft status, career.
I find a lot of what he says interesting. But I think Sheehan oversells him some as the next Cooley. Cooley knew the context behind everything and knew the scheme
He loves Kinlaw, Armstrong to some extent Martin, Chris Paul. Dug how Burks played last week.
As for Conerly, he is athletic. That's not debatable. He tested well on that front.
But he also to my observation, can be a bt dismissive of players he doesn't like and comes off a bit over the top. So he doesn't think much of Daron Payne, Sainristil, Conerly, Lattimore, Quan Martin, Preston Smith. And loll, he's very hardcore dismissive.
He actually isn't high on Terry, doesn't think he's bad, but overall he's not impressed.
But also comes off as someone who pays almost no attention to pedigree of players. He doesn't know typically their history, draft status, career.
I find a lot of what he says interesting. But I think Sheehan oversells him some as the next Cooley. Cooley knew the context behind everything and knew the scheme
He loves Kinlaw, Armstrong to some extent Martin, Chris Paul. Dug how Burks played last week.
As for Conerly, he is athletic. That's not debatable. He tested well on that front.
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I can dismiss anything he says now. 🤣
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Guessing Jacob, not Quan
Riggo44
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Guessing Jacob, not Quan
Quan has ruined all Martins--Jacob Martin, Martin Short, Martin Van Buren, Dean Martin, Martin Lawrence, Martin Freeman, George R.R. Martin, Martin Luther King. They're all diminished because of him!
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He was his lowest graded player on offense specifically. Quan and Sainristil were his lowest graded players on defense. He thinks Sainristil can't cover anyone in man coverage.
On Conerly, to skinsinparadise 's point, Suter doesn't have context of pedigree, scouting reports, etc. Perhaps Conerly looks less athletic on film because he has been slow to react. He told Keim that he sees himself as a technician so he may be processing things slowly as he tries to use the right technique
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Quan has ruined all Martins--Jacob Martin, Martin Short, Martin Van Buren, Dean Martin, Martin Lawrence, Martin Freeman, George R.R. Martin, Martin Luther King. They're all diminished because of him!
Yeah its Jacob Martin. Suter is huge on effort when he grades film and he loves the effort he sees out of Kinlaw and Martin. He sees Payne as being lazy and taking too many plays off, which fits with what we know of him as fans having seen him play for 8 years
method man
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His quips are hilarious. I was laughing when he was saying "you have three retired players playing for you" in Ertz, Miller and P. Smith
Very kind of him not to include Wagner in that list tbh
method man
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Actually tied with Reaves for a top 3 defensive grade against the Lions. He is still their best tackler and good against the run
Riggo44
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He's good against the run from guard to guard. Outside that, he doesn't miss tackles because he doesn't get there
Yesterday's loss increases my belief that Kliff will return next year as OC. He gets hot with play calling in spurts but tends to sprinkle big boners in. He can't just call clean games offensively, no way would I want him running a team.
I also have been applauding Mariota through the year. I ask however, is it me or was he off all game yesterday whetheer with overthrows under throws and numerous late throws I mean, I get he is't working with a stud WR group but he did appear off.
I also have been applauding Mariota through the year. I ask however, is it me or was he off all game yesterday whetheer with overthrows under throws and numerous late throws I mean, I get he is't working with a stud WR group but he did appear off.
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