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Commanders Trade Deadline Thread
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method man
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Again, SF settled on a 5th (the high NO 5th from the Lattimore trade) because teams had the alternative of free agency to find talent. Your alternative at this stage is signing Treylon Burks off the street. Again, you also gave more data on where your team is now vs start of year so you are willing to pay more.
Meyers has been dealing with knee and toe issues and missed a game this season. He too is a FA at the end of the year. Would I have personally given up a 4th + a 5th/6th for him and Shaheed? Probably not but the Jaguars had 13 picks coming into the trade deadline and couldn’t have used all of them. The picks mean less to them than it would mean to us. Few sellers and a lot of buyers this year.
Finally, Deebo is 9 months older than Meyers, not 2 years. Next year is both of their age 30 years so that argument doesn’t hold much water
method man
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Again, looking at Meyers’s and Shaheed’s numbers, tell me why they would draw a sharp premium to what Deebo would garner? Both guys are free agents at the end of the season so that argument does not hold water. The market is the market and this was a seller’s market for receivers and pass rushers due to the lack of available options.
Like Deebo, both Shaheed and Meyers are complementary receivers. I don’t think anyone sees either guy as a #1. Meyers had his chance and failed after Davante was traded.
The Seahawks and Jags have other receivers to take the focus off of Deebo. He wouldn’t have to be Superman on either team. The Bills were interested too and they have a cadre of other competent receivers to take the focus off Deebo.
The value of the 5th that was placed on him in the offseason is irrelevant. In every sport, buying teams pay up at the deadline for the reasons I outlined in my prior post
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He is turning 29 in 4 days
Commander Wraith
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Have to think part of the calculus regarding not trading Samuel is a lackluster FA wr group and our lack of draft picks. Combine that with McCaffrey/Lane looking like 4s/5s, Peters may not want to go into next season with basically just Terry, even if spending on Deebo (at his age and with his injury history) isn’t ideal.
method man
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This might be the best reason I've heard. Having to resign Deebo because McCaffrey and Lane both suck as receivers isn't great. Meyers, Wan'Dale Robinson, Jennings, Shaheed, Keenan Allen, Pickens, Alec Pierce, Jalen Tolbert, Jalen Nailor and Romeo Doubs are all set to be FAs but some of these guys may not hit the market.
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I do not understand why you guys want to ship Deebo out so bad. He has been one of our best players. He is our leading receiver by a good margin, his versatility adds options on offense, and he has been a great culture guy from the moment he arrived: positive attitude, supportive of teammates, hard working, and self sacrificing. Furthermore he plays at a position that is one of our biggest needs. Why wouldn’t we keep him? To save cap space that we’re not using? Just because we want to bring down the average age?
This business of wanting to get rid of our best players is part and parcel of a whole mentality that perplexes me: losing on purpose for draft position, trading away our best players for draft picks, letting our best free agents go for cap space, benching our best players to avoid injury, etc. It seems to me that the things being sacrificed are more valuable than the things we are sacrificing them for.
This business of wanting to get rid of our best players is part and parcel of a whole mentality that perplexes me: losing on purpose for draft position, trading away our best players for draft picks, letting our best free agents go for cap space, benching our best players to avoid injury, etc. It seems to me that the things being sacrificed are more valuable than the things we are sacrificing them for.
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In regards to a post on the previous page about Daniels as a designed rusher vs scrambler and trends around the league:
I think it’s the opposite, designed runs for a QB aren’t sustainable for a career in almost all cases (Lamar being an exception? He mostly scrambles now), but QB’s who can scramble when nothing’s there can really frustrate a defense. Yeah, you don’t want it to be the majority of your offense—it’s supposed to be a tool of last resort. But even Mahomes, who isn’t a running QB at all, kills teams by consistently being able to squeak past the marker consistently on 3rd down.
Daniels last year showed the ability to process and pick teams apart and place elite passes down the field that few QB’s have the talent and balls to pull the trigger on. I always assumed he would slowly run less and less designed rushes as his career went on, other than scrambles which would remain a reliable weapon as he got older and became an even scarier passer.
This year he’s just never looked right, and aside from the obvious issue of lack of chemistry with receivers and missing so many weapons, he’s performed worse than the OL performance would indicate is expected. So I just think we’ll have to wait until next year and a fresh start to see the guy we remember. I have no doubt he’s still got it, and I think he could run a 4.7 and still be an extremely dangerous passer if we develop him well. That’s why he’ll never be RG3, who could throw a beautiful ball but never had great pocket presence, never had great ball placement aside from confidently ripped Play Action throws downfield, struggled with touch on short passes, never really could read a D, etc.
I think it’s the opposite, designed runs for a QB aren’t sustainable for a career in almost all cases (Lamar being an exception? He mostly scrambles now), but QB’s who can scramble when nothing’s there can really frustrate a defense. Yeah, you don’t want it to be the majority of your offense—it’s supposed to be a tool of last resort. But even Mahomes, who isn’t a running QB at all, kills teams by consistently being able to squeak past the marker consistently on 3rd down.
Daniels last year showed the ability to process and pick teams apart and place elite passes down the field that few QB’s have the talent and balls to pull the trigger on. I always assumed he would slowly run less and less designed rushes as his career went on, other than scrambles which would remain a reliable weapon as he got older and became an even scarier passer.
This year he’s just never looked right, and aside from the obvious issue of lack of chemistry with receivers and missing so many weapons, he’s performed worse than the OL performance would indicate is expected. So I just think we’ll have to wait until next year and a fresh start to see the guy we remember. I have no doubt he’s still got it, and I think he could run a 4.7 and still be an extremely dangerous passer if we develop him well. That’s why he’ll never be RG3, who could throw a beautiful ball but never had great pocket presence, never had great ball placement aside from confidently ripped Play Action throws downfield, struggled with touch on short passes, never really could read a D, etc.
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That's an interesting thought. The problem isn't necessarily the scrambling then - it's the timing of the scramble and the situation.
This year's scrambles seem to generally have a lot more traffic. He also seems like he may be a bit less elusive (unclear). Last year's scrambles were made with plenty of crazy pressure, with plenty of "broken play" dynamics just like this year, but many, many times - he was getting 1st downs out of them. It was clearly different.
One of my points here is that if you make the argument that the 2024 team shows that Kliff is a great coordinator, and then you see that scrambles accounted for a "too high" amount of key 1st downs that greatly contributed to their record... things fall apart there. The other part that I was specifically talking about in that post was in a 1st year/2nd year QB context, probably one of the easiest things DCs can do "better" in a second year is make sure their D is better prepared for scrambling. I do think we've seen that as well. Scrambling needs to be exactly what you said, a feature of last resort that breaks the back of a defense that maybe was in the process of making a good play - that is how it appeared last year. This year it definitely feels like the defenses are fully prepared for it. Some of that has to come from the play design and predictability problem as well.
I’m with you on Kliff in general, personally. So no argument there.
I think the difference is that last year, Daniels was dictating to defenses. When he scrambled, it felt like it was his choice after having time to process, and he made the choice to stick the D with the dagger of his scramble to move the chains and keep the clock moving. It felt calculated and in control most of the time. And you could sense defenders’ frustrations.
This year it feels panicky. It feels inefficient and unideal and it feels like the D is dictating to Daniels instead. HE’S the one who is now frustrated and he’s regressed to relying on his legs too quickly, like sucking on a binky. And D’s don’t mind because he’s not dictating the when and where, he’s panicked: so the lanes aren’t there and he’s opening himself to extra hits and they’re happy to accommodate that.
Now, why is this happening? Why has it felt like this since week 1? No idea. The vibes were bad immediately and he felt like his confidence and athletic arrogance was missing. The exact opposite of his rookie year where he immediately seemed supernaturally poised and in control.
method man
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Because he will be 30 next year and has suffered more injuries than a RB over the course of his career. It is a guarantee he is the type of receiver who ages badly
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The main reason I would not want to bring Deebo back next year is he'll be relatively expensive. I think he'll get somebody like a 3 year 48million dollar contract from somebody with like 27 million guaranteed. I don't think he is worth that. If you could get him on a 1 year 8 million dollar deal with incentives that make it go up to 10 million, then yeah I would bring him back. I agree he is a declining asset at this point and while he is still a useful player he is not good at beating man coverage which is I feel a trait we need to add to our WR room
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