The All Things Terry Thread

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

That surprises me. What I see and hear on social media and radio had me convinced I was in the minority on him. But I’m glad to hear

Your opinion is more in line with the fans here for sure. Ie: folks that have a clue how all this works.

The team just posted via its social media outlets, about Terry being ranked #52 on the NFL 100, and most of the posts are fans whining to pay him whatever he wants.

 

[Higskin]

FWIW - Stephen A's "sources" say we are at $27 mil with him

 

[Chris]

I’ll say it one more time for the back row…this is not primarily on Terry’s agent, it’s on Terry. McLaurin is no rube and isn’t going to be led astray by an agent (his employee) unless he is holding some untoward pictures. It’s on Terry and my guess it is Terry driving the bus.

 

[Neophyte]

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that McLaurin is the 2nd best or 2nd most important player on this team. Two years ago? Sure. Maybe even the most important.

Now? When everyone is healthy, I'm not sure he is top 5 in terms of "best". I put Daniels, Luvu, Tunsel, Wagner, and Lattimore ahead of him. These guys are all former or possible All Pros. I don't see Terry hitting that level.

In terms of importance, I've got Daniels, Wagner, Biadasz, and Lattimore ahead of him. Minimum.

And that was before the contract dispute.

Another note here...these are business decisions. Once it is put to bed, there will be no lasting repercussions in the locker room or with the fans. There are too many similiar examples out there that we can use to model this situation.

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

I’ll say it one more time for the back row…this is not primarily on Terry’s agent, it’s on Terry. McLaurin is no rube and isn’t going to be led astray by an agent (his employee) unless he is holding some untoward pictures. It’s on Terry and my guess it is Terry driving the bus.

None of us really know who it’s on.

Before a deal is even negotiated, it’s an agents job to set realistic expectations and provide solid advice to his client. That’s a major part of what makes the big time agents, big time.

I have a hard time believing if Rosenhaus was his agent, this would have played out just the same. Terry has never been in the drivers seat of a deal because he’s under team control and the FT is significantly less than the money he wants. Any legitimate agent level sets that with a client in Terry’s situation. At minimum that hasn’t happened here unless Terry is delusional. Hes likely been gassed up and working off emotion, which is another thing a legit agent is going to prevent.

He obviously has a say in how all this goes, so I’m not absolving him of anything. It just likely takes bad advice and support to travel the road he’s traveling.

 

[Phantvm]

I’ll say it one more time for the back row…this is not primarily on Terry’s agent, it’s on Terry. McLaurin is no rube and isn’t going to be led astray by an agent (his employee) unless he is holding some untoward pictures. It’s on Terry and my guess it is Terry driving the bus.

He showed his hand at Eastern Motors when he said he wanted us all to know it came from his mouth that he was frustrated and that he wanted to be here…at the correct valuation. Now, because they haven’t met his “valuation” he wants out.

 

[Chris]

The fact remains that the agent works for the player. Any belief that the player, in this case Terry, isn’t the defining voice that matters is naive.

 

[mistertim]

Terry isn't dumb and he's not the kind of guy who will just do whatever an agent tells him to if he doesn't want to do so. I doubt his agent is doing him any favors (probably feeding his delusions and agreeing with it), but I also doubt that it's primarily on the agent.

 

[HTTRDynasty]

Interesting timing lol

 

[CuredFromBatteredFanSyndrome]

Emotions and ego make smart people do dumb things all the time. A good support system helps smart people keep their emotions and ego in check.

Thats my only point here. Either he’s an egomaniac or he has nobody to tell him hard truths.

 

[Ashburn Dave]

IMO it's 60/40 on the agent. He is the one that should be driving the bus and if he isn't driving the bus then he's not much of an agent.

 

[Anselmheifer]

FWIW - Stephen A's "sources" say we are at $27 mil with him

27 million sounds pretty fair for a guy that’s entering his year 30 season.

 

[Canadian Hog]

I am by no means trying to diminish Terry’s value given all that has transpired with the contract drama over the last few weeks. However, I will say that one of the things that i always thought separates some of the more crème de la crème receivers from McLaurin was their ability to stay involved in ball games for longer stretches compared to him. Repeatedly over the years, it felt like McLaurin seemed invisible for long stretches in games, where he would go without catches or sometimes even a large share of targets for multiple quarters at a time. That doesn’t feel like it’s the case for some other big time wideouts. Now granted, this was likely attributed to the fact that we had no weapons in previous years around Terry, making it easier for the opposition for eliminate him. However, this happened last year as well with Daniel’s behind center. I dug through some numbers quickly and there were 7 contests in 2024 where McLaurin amassed fewer than 59 yards in a game. Why 59 as a target? Well, over a 17 game NFL season, a wideout has to average 58.8 yards per game to hit the 1000 receiving yard mark.

The games were as follows:

Tampa Bay: 2 receptions, 17 yards.
New York: 6 receptions, 22 yards.
Arizona: 7 receptions, 52 yards.
Baltimore: 6 receptions, 53 yards.
New York: 2 receptions, 19 yards.
Philly: 1 reception, 10 yards.
Atlanta: 1 reception, 5 yards.

For what it's worth, the team had a 4-3 record in those games and still scored 27 or more points in three of those contests. Granted, while some of those receiving numbers were low, to be fair, it should be noted that in a few of those games, he still had impact scoring plays, amassing 2 TDs vs. the Ravens, 2 TDs in the second Giants game, and one TD in the Cardinals game. However, as we all know the 13 total TDs last year were likely the outlier for his career, and definitely not the norm.

For sake of comparison, I was curious how other top wideouts faired in this regard last year. Here is what I found:

Jefferson: 3 weeks where his yardage fell below the 58.8 yards per game mark.
Lamb: 3 weeks…
Chase: 4 weeks…
Nabers: 3 weeks…
AJ Brown: 3 weeks…

My gut feeling that McLaurin sometimes plays Houdini with in game disappearing acts maybe did hold some water. Just some food for thought and maybe just another piece of evidence as to why this is not a top dollar player.

 

[mistertim]

Emotions and ego make smart people do dumb things all the time. A good support system helps smart people keep their emotions and ego in check.

Thats my only point here. Either he’s an egomaniac or he has nobody to tell him hard truths.

 

[burgold]

I fundamentally disagree with the idea that McLaurin is the 2nd best or 2nd most important player on this team. Two years ago? Sure. Maybe even the most important.

Now? When everyone is healthy, I'm not sure he is top 5 in terms of "best". I put Daniels, Luvu, Tunsel, Wagner, and Lattimore ahead of him. These guys are all former or possible All Pros. I don't see Terry hitting that level.

In terms of importance, I've got Daniels, Wagner, and Lattimore ahead of him. Minimum.

And that was before the contract dispute.

Another note here...these are business decisions. Once it is put to bed, there will be no lasting repercussions in the locker room or with the fans. There are too many similiar examples out there that we can use to model this situation.

I can't buy this list.

We agree that Daniels is number 1.

Luvu and Wagner? The defense was awful with them. They were not more positively impactful than Terry and if we are including age as a factor it's pretty silly to include Wagner.
Tunsil hasn't played a snap yet for this team. I've seen too many highly touted free agents (or players we traded for) who were great on their former teams but bums with us. Maybe he becomes a core player. Maybe not.
Lattimore? Lattimore was the most disappointing player on the roster last year. Saying he's top five is the stretchiest of stretches. We don't even know if he be meh.

 

[Chris]

Interesting timing lol

Where is Jayden projected?

 

[burgold]

I am by no means trying to diminish Terry’s value given all that has transpired with the contract drama over the last few weeks. However, I will say that one of the things that i always thought separates some of the more crème de la crème receivers from McLaurin was their ability to stay involved in ball games for longer stretches compared to him. Repeatedly over the years, it felt like McLaurin seemed invisible for long stretches in games, where he would go without catches or sometimes even a large share of targets for multiple quarters at a time. That doesn’t feel like it’s the case for some other big time wideouts. Now granted, this was likely attributed to the fact that we had no weapons in previous years around Terry, making it easier for the opposition for eliminate him. However, this happened last year as well with Daniel’s behind center. I dug through some numbers quickly and there were 7 contests in 2024 where McLaurin amassed fewer than 59 yards in a game. Why 59 as a target? Well, over a 17 game NFL season, a wideout has to average 58.8 yards per game to hit the 1000 receiving yard mark.

The games were as follows:

Tampa Bay: 2 receptions, 17 yards.
New York: 6 receptions, 22 yards.
Arizona: 7 receptions, 52 yards.
Baltimore: 6 receptions, 53 yards.
New York: 2 receptions, 19 yards.
Philly: 1 reception, 10 yards.
Atlanta: 1 reception, 5 yards.

For what it's worth, the team had a 4-3 record in those games and still scored 27 or more points in three of those contests. Granted, while some of those receiving numbers were low, to be fair, it should be noted that in a few of those games, he still had impact scoring plays, amassing 2 TDs vs. the Ravens, 2 TDs in the second Giants game, and one TD in the Cardinals game. However, as we all know the 13 total TDs last year were likely the outlier for his career, and definitely not the norm.

For sake of comparison, I was curious how other top wideouts faired in this regard last year. Here is what I found:

Jefferson: 3 weeks where his yardage fell below the 58.8 yards per game mark.
Lamb: 3 weeks…
Chase: 4 weeks…
Nabers: 3 weeks…
AJ Brown: 3 weeks…

My gut feeling that McLaurin sometimes plays Houdini with in game disappearing acts maybe did hold some water. Just some food for thought and maybe just another piece of evidence as to why this is not a top dollar player.

This is a much more fair criticism. This is why we all thought Terry was on the second level of receiver. Throughout his career, defenses have been able to take him out of the gameplan. That's why I think while you can put him in that "very good" level of receiver you can't put him in the "elite" category. He's just stopped way too often.

 

[Chris]

Emotions and ego make smart people do dumb things all the time. A good support system helps smart people keep their emotions and ego in check.

Thats my only point here. Either he’s an egomaniac or he has nobody to tell him hard truths.

That’s exactly what I was trying to say when I previously mentioned a couple of high-profile agents…that one of their greatest benefits come from being unafraid to speak truth to talent.

 

[ExoDus84]

He showed his hand at Eastern Motors when he said he wanted us all to know it came from his mouth that he was frustrated and that he wanted to be here…at the correct valuation. Now, because they haven’t met his “valuation” he wants out.

I don't think he wants out at all. I think the whole trade request is a hard-line negotiating tactic. He's about the 5th big name player over the last couple of years to do this, and then sign with their current team.

I don't agree with some posters here saying their done with him, ship him off, he's not that great, etc. He's not "elite" in the vein of Chase, Jefferson, etc., but he's still very good. He's been a consummate pro here, and the face of the franchise.

I don't agree with Terry if he's asking for a Snyder reparations clause in his contract. He got paid well during the Snyder regime. If the team sucked during his early career, and it did, then that's the breaks, kid.

If the team is only offering $25M, that's not enough. He's worth more than that, though he's certainly not worth $35M at his current age. Both sides need to meet in the middle. $29-30, on a 4 year deal, and Terry gets to spend maybe his whole career here and end up in the ring of fame next to Santana.

I think something will get done. There's 30 days left until the season opener. Sorry for the way this post is formatted, but there's been a number of different types of opinions/posts that I wanted to address.

Lastly, I can't believe Ana de Armas is dating Tom Cruise. I'm not mad, just...disappointed. She was mine.

 

[Primus Porcus]

Where is Jayden projected?

And how many wrs are ranked ahead of Terry?