Next Day Thread: Sinking the Titans

[Echo Hawk]

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With those two nimrods working for the previous owner (I refuse to name him nor post a picture) is it really that astounding?

Imagine if Desean did this to Jon Gruden

 

[Discobob]

Over the top? OVER THE TOP?

I just try to take my hat and turn it around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Imagine if Desean did this to Jon Gruden

Actually, if he’d done it to Ron, Ron would ah e probably would have decked him.

Ron was a lousy coach and worse personnel guy, but he’s a former LB who wouldn’t take that kind of stuff from a player.

 

[burgold]

Actually, if he’d done it to Ron, Ron would ah e probably would have decked him.

Ron was a lousy coach and worse personnel guy, but he’s a former LB who wouldn’t take that kind of stuff from a player.

Overall, I'd say Ron was an average to slightly above average coach. I think cancer changed his focus and his passion. When he came back he was not the same guy. He was more checked out and his troops felt it. With the owership change, he figured why even fight and just started going through the motions. I'm not even sure if he realized it.

So by the end, I agree with you, he was a lousy coach, but I think we didn't see him at his best. I don't think he had it in him to give us his best anymore.

 

[Bulldog]

I am sure a year into his tenure when Ron found out that Snyder was still going to meddle at the quarterback position, etc. that diminished his motivation at 60 plus to try and stem the tide and turn this thing around.

Ron had to deal with the Haskins fiasco, the unexpected return of Alex Smith from what was thought to be a career ending injury, the signing of a 40-year-old Ryan Fitzpatrick and then the horrible trade for Carson Wentz.

Most if not all of that was on Snyder or at least in response to his urging to make a move.

Just be glad we weren't the ones that gave Deshaun Watson a $216M guaranteed contract after all of those sexual assault allegations.

Cleveland has been paying for that mistake for the past two years and will continue to do so against the cap into the future.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Overall, I'd say Ron was an average to slightly above average coach. I think cancer changed his focus and his passion. When he came back he was not the same guy. He was more checked out and his troops felt it. With the owership change, he figured why even fight and just started going through the motions. I'm not even sure if he realized it.

So by the end, I agree with you, he was a lousy coach, but I think we didn't see him at his best. I don't think he had it in him to give us his best anymore.

I was a Ron defender for a while. But honestly, he just wasn't a very good coach.

There are several things you look for from a head coach:

1. Preparation
2. Staff building
3. Messaging
4. Tone setter

From the start, his teams were ill-prepared, the staff he brought together was one of the worst in the NFL, he was the king of word salad, and with all his talk of building a culture, he never actually did.

On this, I might be the minority, I would value his opinion on football things more than Jay Gruden's, who I see as a complete and total clown nepo-baby. Would he have gotten a HC job if his brother wasn't tight with Bruce? Maybe. But maybe not.

But neither of them were good coach's. Ron was able to ride Cam Newton's success and a pretty stacked team, with an outstanding DC (who's now the HC in Buffalo), to success. When Newton wasn't in God mode and after McDermott left, it was never the same. I get needing a franchise QB, but all the warts which were covered up by Newton were exposed.

Shrug. I think they're both bad. But I respect Ron a little more, maybe solely because he played on the '85 bears.

 

[burgold]

I'll second you on the staff building. When he brought over the whole Carolina staff it alarmed me. It echoed a little of Gibbs trying to get the old gang together when he came back and brought back Bugel, but even Gibbs knew he needed a defensive mind that was up to speed. Regardless, the difference between Gibbs II and Rivera redux is huge. Gibbs had been to the mountaintop and reigned. He and his staff were the best. Rivera reassembled a squad that had been floundering and lost.

It started out slightly better than expected. We did see a disciplined team that fought its way to 7-9 and the playoffs which we somehow mostly bought as something promising. Then, as I said, cancer struck and whatever might have been there fell apart. Now, you may be right. Maybe that first season with discipline and mirage was a mirage and what we saw the rest of his tenure here was the real Rivera. I may be right that had he not had gotten cancer, we would have been more of a 9-7 team than a 6-10 team, but in either case... it's not worth arguing whether he was meh or bad because ultimately neither is good enough and the only thing Rivera really did for this team ultimately was fold so completely that we wound up with the number 2 pick.

 

[Bulldog]

the biggest mistake Washington made was beating the Dolphins 17-16 in 2019 so that in 2020 we lost out on the #1 pick to Cincinnati.

Otherwise we would have had Joe Burrow.